is the sex you are born with, immutable?

[gettoefl]

2 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

imo women have to say if they want trans people in their bathrooms or not

 

personally i don't really care nor do i know enough about the subject to have an real opinion

a majority of them or all of them

and how do we find out

and when did these women get given the right to decide who else is a woman

[PurpleTree]

1 minute ago, gettoefl said:

a majority of them or all of them

and how do we find out

and when did these women get given the right to decide who else is a woman

- they can also decide for themselves if it's a majority or all of them i have no saying in the matter

- when they speak out

- don't care

[Kensho]

6 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

she knows the trans person was born male and she believes it is impossible to change even though the person looks just like a woman

What does the belief of the impossibility to change imply to the woman? What is the actual problem?

 

 

[gettoefl]

3 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

Well, my opinion is do whatever is most loving and intelligent. 

In Germany the change rooms are shared with all sexes and they seem fine.

I give my answer because it's probably not a 'yes' or 'no' blanket statement that works for everywhere.

it is one of the explosive issues of the day, at least here in the uk

namely can we deny trans people the right to transition (and therefore use the restroom of their choice)

[gettoefl]

1 minute ago, PurpleTree said:

- they can also decide for themselves if it's a majority or all of them i have no saying in the matter

- when they speak out

- don't care

many woman will say it is just more male oppression and now they don't even have the right to go to the restroom in peace

it is a tricky question

[PurpleTree]

2 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

it is one of the explosive issues of the day, at least here in the uk

omg so explosive

 i think it's more just smoke and mirrors to distract from much more "important" issues

[gettoefl]

2 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

omg so explosive

 i think it's more just smoke and mirrors to distract from much more "important" issues

getting more and more significant, more trans identifying people every year now and so it is becoming more polarizing and dangerous

especially for the involved parties

this topic is like life or death in certain social media circles

i hope we can solve it somehow

[PurpleTree]

Just now, gettoefl said:

this topic is like life or death in certain social media circles

hihi yea i guess

so glad i'm off social media

everybody's so triggered

[gettoefl]

7 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

It's a big topic. People are gonna have to work this out.

The problem  is, our social systems have an intelligence that is being changed as humanity evolves beyond binary identity in pop culture. At least some humans...

You can transition. But you are a trans person. Men get treated one way, women get treated one way, maybe... Trans people get treated another way.

You cant TOTALLY become the opposite sex imo. You can largely change. 

Everyone deserves respect, and Trans people need to recognize that cis gendered people also have rights and vice versa... So its not easy.

trans people need and deserve equal rights imo

we can say the trans rights struggle is the new gay rights struggle

[gettoefl]

5 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

hihi yea i guess

so glad i'm off social media

everybody's so triggered

i do like to monitor it, am not triggered but it does sadden me all the hatred i witness and how powerless i am to help

[PurpleTree]

4 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

i do like to monitor it, am not triggered but it does sadden me all the hatred i witness and how powerless i am to help

get off social media

tadaaaaa

[gettoefl]

1 minute ago, PurpleTree said:

get off social media

tadaaaaa

yes i know ... two hours a day won't kill me is my logic and since i don't follow any news / current affairs, it is one of my few links to the real world

[PurpleTree]

1 minute ago, gettoefl said:

yes i know ... two hours a day won't kill me is my logic and since i don't follow any news / current affairs, it is one of my few links to the real world

the thing is with questions like these or even abortion etc.

there isn't really a right answer and a wrong answer, it's all just opinions, so we can get trapped in those discussions for ever and ever and it's impossible for everybody to be happy

[gettoefl]

2 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

the thing is with questions like these or even abortion etc.

there isn't really a right answer and a wrong answer, it's all just opinions, so we can get trapped in those discussions for ever and ever and it's impossible for everybody to be happy

for me it is all to do with level of consciousness

when i understand you inside and out then i understand myself

i need to understand every manner of human being

they are a missing piece of my consciousness that needs integrating

so for me trans people are the new persecuted minority

and i need to align with the truth they are revealing

namely that sex and gender and not fixed biological constants

all this work is part of my personal spiritual growth

there is no wrong in life there is only lack of consciousness

[nuwu]

Gender is a social construct. Biological traits have no inherent meaning other than the one we give to them.

[Johnny Galt]

@Shin masculine and feminine are weaved through the cosmos, micro to macro, I'm not sure we can undo this