Thought Art

Is paying 8000$ for an online marketing consultant crazy?

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8000 dollar is insane dude.why dont u take this course next year and do the research in meantime.u will then posess enough information to make and educated choice.just pospond buying this to next year if u can

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1 hour ago, Gianna said:

This is what people assume. It's easy logic. But the truth is much deeper and more complex than this. 

That's exactly what I mean

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Do you already have clients? Do you have proof that your idea works and did some market research?

If yes then I'd say go for it!

Spending the 8k alone will get you hyper-motivated. And if the coach is worth his money and you work good together you can save a lot of time.

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7 hours ago, Gianna said:

@Raptorsin7 Yeah I've been in digital marketing for almost 5 years. I know plenty of rockstar marketers who would never charge something so ridiculous. For something as simple as Qigong and breathwork? I mean ohhh my gawd. I have worked with big corporate brands, casinos, hospitality groups. I'm familiar with marketing budgets. And I'm telling you, 8K for breathwork is fucking retarded I'm sorry. I mean it kind of makes me upset. I work with large hotel properties that don't even spend that much but I guess (granted) they don't really have to idk. I get it, I know I don't know exactly what this guy is offering. I just know it better be something fucking insane if he/she is charging that much for breathwork. haha. Try selling medical devices, haha. Anyway, You can get amazing results for a quarter of that price if you're working with someone who knows what they are doing. Just saying! 

It's not breathwork. 

I use breathwork as part of my course I am creating, which he is consulting and providing resources, systems, and guidance in creating. I don't know online business, course creation, marketing, facebook groups, ad creation, client acquisition, etc so for me it's worth having this all laid out for me.

Synchronicity is basically an online marketing course combined with consulting for course creators to find high ticket clients. I only need like 5-10 clients to more than pay for the 8000 dollar ticket price. It is risky but I am in the business of high ticket client acquisition for the first few years.

I am going to be able to use this skill set for the rest of my life. The online space for these types of courses is expected to grow by billions of dollars each year over the next 5-10 years. This is the perfect time to be setting up my holistic health brand.

I'ts high ticket... But the courses I will be offering at 3 months and I know the techniques work as I have done plenty of studies, read scientific research and seen the results of the clients I have already worked with.

However, in terms of timeline idk.

If I don't learn marketing I will never be able to break free from wage slavery and become a massive value provider in the world.  

I've looked at the PDF documents he provides, and peered into the actual course material. He sends out daily emails, and does weekly session for free on his facebook page. He knows what he is talking about as I have read some marketing books and shopped around a bit for other consultants/ businesses helping you to develop an online business. When you take the course its really well laid out. To me, 8k in the long run of my life long learning is nothing. I have nothing else to spend the money on as all my free time the next 5 years is going into setting up my life to escape wage slavery. So I will be buying online courses to get my hands on all the information to create this online brand. I am going to teach at least 10k people these skill sets in my life... I am not gonna be broke doing it either. What I am offering works and is worth the ticket price.

If I am going to be master my craft of Qigong, breath work, self massage, Yoga, journaling, meditation,  etc, plus working my 9-5, plus having to teach myself on my own all the systems he already has learned and bundled, plus develop myself some stage orange balls... it would take me 5-10 years. So yeah, I think 8k is worth the risk. We will see. 

The sooner I have free time to put all my work into creating the best value for my clients the better. 

People after my Qigong sessions have told me "Wow, I didn't know I could relax this much. I feel much better than before we started" etc

It makes me cry honestly, as someone who struggled and sometimes struggles with my emotions to help people relax, improve blood flow, breathing etc its just beautiful.

I am prepared to work on this for the rest of my life. My research is showing that people NEED things like Qigong if they are ever going to feel relaxed in our modern world. Qigong may sound stupid to outsiders, but its such a practical and powerful system for long term and overall health. Science is showing this too....

My mother works at a nurse call centre and the recently had Qigong people coming in and showing the nurses Qigong. So, its being accepted even amongst the western health paradigm. And for good reason...

If you think Qigong and breathwork is simple... you don't know what it is. These things take hundreds or thousands of hours of practice, reading, teaching etc to be able to do it well.

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Seems highly suspect.

The fundamental problem here is that if you think you can outsource the marketing of your business (the most important part of all business) to someone else, you're fooling yourself. You need to take complete ownership of the marketing problem if you care about success.

You can find marketing courses that are way cheaper that will teach you the basics you need to know, which then you can apply yourself in creative ways. Don't be expecting some business-in-a-box solution to your biggest business challenges. You gotta build it yourself.

My bottomline principle in biz is this: If you can't figure out how to make the money come in, nobody else will do it for you.


You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

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20 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Seems highly suspect.

The fundamental problem here is that if you think you can outsource the marketing of your business (the most important part of all business) to someone else, you're fooling yourself. You need to take complete ownership of the marketing problem if you care about success.

You can find marketing courses that are way cheaper that will teach you the basics you need to know, which then you can apply yourself in creative ways. Don't be expecting some business-in-a-box solution to your biggest business challenges. You gotta build it yourself.

My bottomline principle in biz is this: If you can't figure out how to make the money come in, nobody else will do it for you.

It isn't outsourcing but coaching me through the process of developing the systems myself. On facebook for example, there is all these aspects of the how to systematize for client acquisition that is rather dependable. I think he would teach me how to read the analytics, how to organize the funnels, create brand and market the course and hold my hand along the way.

 I would be doing all the marketing but someone would be teaching me how to do it as I go about doing it. I would like to make the process easier, and have these structures in place. It seems like there are many types of courses you can create and he provides a lot of resources on it all. 

I would rather pay 3k for it than 8k. 

The course is actually like 6k American but I am in Canada so it's way more expensive for me.

I have been in plenty of group on facebook that seem to use a similar model as his, so I know he at least knows that much.

There is probably a more cheap process I can take. I am new to business and It's not clear who to believe yet, I want more direct experience.

Okay, I will take this into account regardless. I have plenty of time to do more research and look at my options. This guy could just be trying to monetize off wanna be yoga teachers. But, his content seems pretty good. Learning to monetize facebook groups seems like it could be easily put into a science. I will continue to do more research as the months progress. 

I would share a PDF he provided here but its too large.

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"When you Look in the sky, Just try looking inside, God Knows what you might find... "Here Comes The Nighttime" -Arcade Fire 

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@Leo Gura

Developing a business/ escaping wage slavery will take me 10-15 years. I know this, so I must continuously work through my ignorance and foolishness as I refine my vision and systems. I don't know who to believe in this very complex reality. I must gain the experience through experimentation. Ideally I take only calculated risks that maybe are less expensive. 

I am still really just beginning to mature into all this. 

Thank you for your feedback today.

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11 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

Developing a business/ escaping wage slavery will take me 10-15 years.

Sounds too long.

Took me 1-3 years.


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4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Sounds too long.

Took me 1-3 years.

Okay. That seems realistic to get to the point that I am making a living off my business. But, getting to a point where I am completely free to study and create whatever I want... 10 years.

I feel like I have grown a lot internally this year, going through everything, cleaning up my habits, mindset, etc. I can do this. 

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"When you Look in the sky, Just try looking inside, God Knows what you might find... "Here Comes The Nighttime" -Arcade Fire 

Qigong and Spirituality +Vlog - Thought Art

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I am 25 now, so I would love to be doing my LP full time by 29 or 30. I think I can do it. I know what I am offering is needed and growing in popularity. 

I am going to take these things and package them in a unique way for people. 

My parents aren't that educated, so I've had to do a lot of basic emotional mastery, relationship mastery, etc work on myself. I grew up in a very shame based environment. I am grateful for the past few years of experience I had being an artist, playing festivals, starting a business etc. It was hard AF. But, I am learning, maturing, grounding, becoming more realistic and will continue to refine without pause.

 

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"When you Look in the sky, Just try looking inside, God Knows what you might find... "Here Comes The Nighttime" -Arcade Fire 

Qigong and Spirituality +Vlog - Thought Art

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@Thought Art You're doing good. Keep at it.


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Ik successful entrepreneurs who just found mentors

 

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15 hours ago, Thought Art said:

If you think Qigong and breathwork is simple... you don't know what it is. These things take hundreds or thousands of hours of practice, reading, teaching etc to be able to do it well.

No no I wasn't saying Qigong is simple, I was saying marketing it would be simple– it's a very niche market. So I don't believe you need to spend 8 grand on some highly technical plan to get clients for your course. Not at all. Again, I was saying marketing it would be simple and you could get away with half of that price somewhere else. But it sounds like you feel very confident on this online course guru so go for it! You'll definitely learn a lot, but be mindful of the amount of information you are expecting yourself to learn in one month. Is it 8K for one month of consulting? If so, be prepared to buy another month. 

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Also, be super super careful of assuming ROI. But you got this!! Wishing you the best of luck :x

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Sorry I didn't mean to be so aggressive and come off like an asshole but the marketing industry is flooded with scumbags and I don't like the idea of someone taking advantage of your LP. Like you said,  

13 hours ago, Thought Art said:

This guy could just be trying to monetize off wanna be yoga teachers.

Yoga, breathwork, meditation, Qigong. These markets are not difficult to market. And I don't know why you are saying 8K isn't a lot of money, it IS a lot of money. Again, don't assume ROI. But once you learn this stuff you'll see how simple it can be and then you'll understand why 8K is so ridiculous.  

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13 hours ago, Thought Art said:

I know what I am offering is needed and growing in popularity. 

Not only is it growing in popularity but people look to do this kind of stuff for health, wellness, for fun even. They want to be marketed it. They follow it, they love it, it can be a lifestyle for some people. This is why I say it's not going to be hard to market, it's niche. It's not like you're trying to market shoes or something general and accessible anywhere. It's specific, you have an expertise, you have value, people are going to want it. All you have to do is find the right audience which is simple. I don't believe your business is going to need some highly technical plan/strategy. Of course those things are good but, idk. It does sound like you'll be learning some pretty cool things with this guy. But, there's other things you'll need to spend money on and learn. For instance, is he going to be teaching you web analytics and tracking? Remarketing strategies? Google search? YouTube? Sales Navigator with LinkedIn? For 8 grand I would want to know all of that, even email! Haha. Like allll the stuff for 8K, not just Facebook and funnels. You're going to want an omnichannel approach. If you want to email me the PDF I can check it out for you and let you know what I think. 

Wait, also. Is he building your course? Or just teaching you how to market it? Because if he's building your course that would be different, obviously. 

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Realistically I would be very skeptical of spending 8k on something like this, mainly because there are so many free or low cost resources that you can exhaust, to get to a level whereby you at the very least know whether spending this amount of money is worth it. 

But either way it's your journey and one of 2 thi gs will be true, either you'll spend the 8k and learn so much and escape wage slavery, or you'll realise it was a mistake and could've been better spent elsewhere. Either way, as long as you keep going you'll learn a lot, good luck 

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@Thought Art Leo is right in that it's all on you. I experienced that first hand. Every marketer trying to sell you something will sell the idea of done for you, however, most know absolutely nothing about marketing self help and higher consciousness businesses, much less doing it authentically.  

There are much cheaper and more valuable courses in my opinion. This is $97 a month and I can attest to its validity. They have group coaching also. The $97 a month stuff is very good. It goes from basic to advanced. I have done their coaching, they will hold you accountable.
 

https://www.digitalmarketer.com/

 

Also, it sounds like you've already convinced yourself you want to do this and your not really listening to feedback. I am often like that. In fact, people within that coaching group brought my attention to that over and over. 

 

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I dont think you can find anyone with real good seniority for less than 5k/mo 

 

BUT

 

You can learn how to set the marketing for yourself, it will take you a couple of years but you can do it

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