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Can we stop with the vulgar and toxic language here?

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1 minute ago, Etherial Cat said:

Sure! Because having the blessing of a red piller I've briefly met on an online forum is that important to me. xD

Maybe if I find one old enough I could entertain a virtual relationship with him in here for your non sense to be complete? :DxD:D

Despite all that, I'd initiate contact asap. Might be the only chance.

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10 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

Of course, the red pill is just the fruit of their own projection and distorted worldview. They are the selfish, materialistic, status obsessed and loveless users they abhorre. That's also the thing that make it so disturbing and sad.

 

Agreed, unfortunately in todays age of the internet it's very easy for people with ideas such as this to gather on sub-reddits, forums, and youtube channels creating an echo chamber of these sad beliefs only further cementing those that are agreeance to it further down the dark abyss. 

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16 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

 Of course, the red pill is just the fruit of their own projection and distorted worldview. They are the selfish, materialistic, status obsessed and loveless users they abhorre. That's also the thing that make it so disturbing and sad.

Well, not necessarily.

The red pill content definitely opened my eyes to certain realities that I wasn't aware of before. One of those realities is that women manipulate a lot and do a lot of things on purpose, where I thought they were genuine before.

The most important fruit for me was to destroy the pedestal I used to put women on. The red pill is really good for that, but it could get toxic and extreme in some cases.


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Maybe these red pill theories aren't always false, and it can be factual. It's just the way its presented is in a negative manner, and it also hurts peoples sensibilities as raw human nature can be quite cold. Of course, we aren't just human animals but human beings, but we also have to take a look at the animal within us and which is part of our evolution. 

 

Coca's other thread about traditional women/men etc was a good place to continue the discussion. I had made two I think well formed comments and the thread was just locked. Being a self development forum we need to able to look at things for what they are, and when people comment in a certain manner maybe try discussing and showing another point of view to help them.

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8 minutes ago, Nos7algiK said:

Agreed, unfortunately in todays age of the internet it's very easy for people with ideas such as this to gather on sub-reddits, forums, and youtube channels creating an echo chamber of these sad beliefs only further cementing those that are agreeance to it further down the dark abyss. 

Yeah. Absolutely. 

I mean, red pilers are the ones consuming the poison and it's them who are first and foremost suffering the consequences. Of course, it's not agreeable to read such things on the forum as a woman, but it's nothing next to believing and living with this stuff in the back of your mind.

What I see is hurt, a total lack of hope and a raging anger and disgust against everything feminine. And they are kinda stuck in devilish loop, because they crave what they hate and demonize their antidote. Behind the difficult discussions, I almost picture some sort of attempt to extract from them the cancerous ideas like we are some sort of shamanic-surgeons-philosophers in here, trying to help them by bringing on new perspectives. But not all sort of mind cancer are possible to deal with.

Unfortunately, the current zeitgeist make it possible to easily get sucked into these holes. Incelosophy is a bit of a disease of our time. I hope the systemic elements that makes it spread will decrease in the future instead of proliferating.

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18 minutes ago, Gesundheit2 said:

Well, not necessarily.

The red pill content definitely opened my eyes to certain realities that I wasn't aware of before. One of those realities is that women manipulate a lot and do a lot of things on purpose, where I thought they were genuine before.

The most important fruit for me was to destroy the pedestal I used to put women on. The red pill is really good for that, but it could get toxic and extreme in some cases.

Women definitely do have plenty of shady sides. But I think the red pill doesn't make a good job at understanding why we/they do that. The perspective is not deep enough.

Women aren't meant to be put on a pedestal but to be seen as fellow humans. I think no humans belong to a pedestal to be fair. I'm surely guilty of forgetting this from time to time.

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A lot of red pillers can become bitter by reality and rage sets in but they must realise this instinct (hypergamy - to reward and procreate with strength) is what drove men to raise themselves, and in doing so raise civilisation along with it, along side women. Without this evolutionary pressure we wouldn't be where we are today. Realise it for what it is, a beautiful mechanism of which a lot of it is subconscious - forgive them for they know not what they do.   

The 'bad boys' or 'barbaric men' on a deep level are displaying strength, although in its negative form.  In today's society where long term security is taken care of by the state or women's ability to earn, women are more inclined to look to other aspect of what men provide which is the more biological short term related strength or sexy genes and is emotionally charged. For this reason we have most women going for the top 10-20% of men leaving other men behind. Before access to these men were limited by geography, technology, smaller populations, religious values (shaming culture) but now with technology and the modern culture we live in a global sexual market place where women have these men at their fingertips. Their biology (and hypergamous instinct is screaming at them - what if i can do better and mate with a higher caliber man). In the same way the top tier of men are also being teased by the availability of women at their finger tips also.

When sexuality isn't buffered/contained by cultural or religious incentives and is left unchecked it can destabilise society unless that society evolved in their consciousness. Religions problem was that they didn't contain but cut off people from their sexuality and instinct, the other extreme. The only solution I can think of is either sex evolves in their consciousness. Women evolve in the way that they are able to be happy with their partner and evolve past their hypergamous instinct telling them to see what else is out there, or to not run back to their bad boy lover ex. Or if women are going to only go for the 'alphas' the men left behind have to evolve and channel their sexuality to higher pursuits or just become better and provide women the sexual arousal their bodies react to and desire to satisfy that side of them. Maybe all this loneliness and fragmentation which leads to emotional trauma will lead people to spirituality/actualisation which is part of the evolution also. In the past, men who didn't  have access to women (ie Middle eastern society where harems were a thing) they would go into war. In present day, these men are sedated in many ways via porn, entertainment etc 

 Another path of evolution is for the top men getting all the attention to turn down and by pass their biological instinct to mate with anything that moves knowing that it isn't good for society at large. Or everyone becomes so evolved we can all make love to each other or don't need it all together in that form (sexually) but we are very far off from that reality.  Its all part of the dance of evolution. 

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1 hour ago, Etherial Cat said:

Red pilers also be like: "How dare women be as shallow as I am?!". :D 

Of course, the red pill is just the fruit of their own projection and distorted worldview. They are the selfish, materialistic, status obsessed and loveless users they abhorre. That's also the thing that make it so disturbing and sad.

They're viewing attraction from the male gaze and how men categorize attraction into hierarchies and then they dig themselves into a digger hole. Next thing you know, they're spouting out incel rhetoric. 

1 hour ago, Gesundheit2 said:

You have no idea what freedom lies in this realization. The emotional aspect is precisely flowery nonsense and self delusion because I have experienced it and come out to the other side, not because only women experience it. Men experience it too, e.g. nice guys. I could never fall back to that emotional attachment state again. It's inferior and pathetic, to say the least.

I'd imaging that it frees you from the burden of actually creating a personality and seeing women as equals. Putting women on a pedestal and seeing them as subhuman are both forms of dehumanization. Honestly, who hurt you? 

Aren't you also the user who said that they don't care about anything regarding emotional intimacy and that it's all selfish bullshit? 


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1 hour ago, Gesundheit2 said:

You have no idea what freedom lies in this realization. The emotional aspect is precisely flowery nonsense and self delusion because I have experienced it and come out to the other side, not because only women experience it. Men experience it too, e.g. nice guys. I could never fall back to that emotional attachment state again. It's inferior and pathetic, to say the least.

why u orange bro

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Putting women on a pedestal is an abusive tactic. 

That way, you get to set impossible standards for women and when women can't reach those standards you get to judge and vilify them. 

Same with beauty standards. Make it so impossible then every woman can be called either average or ugly. 

 

 


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1 hour ago, Etherial Cat said:

Women definitely do have plenty of shady sides. But I think the red pill doesn't make a good job at understanding why we/they do that. The perspective is not deep enough.

It's mostly framed as survival instinct from a biological perspective. What would be a deeper perspective?

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Women aren't meant to be put on a pedestal but to be seen as fellow humans. I think no humans belong to a pedestal to be fair.

Yes, exactly. 

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45 minutes ago, soos_mite_ah said:

I'd imaging that it frees you from the burden of actually creating a personality and seeing women as equals.

Then you must have quite the imagination. Are you by any chance an INFP?

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Putting women on a pedestal and seeing them as subhuman are both forms of dehumanization.

You don't say. Here's your Nobel prize.

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Honestly, who hurt you?

You, right here.

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Aren't you also the user who said that they don't care about anything regarding emotional intimacy and that it's all selfish bullshit? 

Yes. And I stand by what I said.

 

@soos_mite_ah ;)


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47 minutes ago, AtheisticNonduality said:

why u orange bro

Give me a break.

It takes 5+ years to move up one stage, assuming serious dedication. I am still in my 2nd Orange year.


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I do have some bad habits from my pickup days. Pickup forces one to be hyper pragmatic and brutal. And then it takes years to unwire that. Pickup also wires in certain biases that later need to be unwried, but that takes deliberate effort.

These are the biggest downsides of pickup. It's like growing up in The Church of Vagina.


You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity.

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6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

These are the biggest downsides of pickup. It's like growing up in The Church of Vagina.

So you're born again then? 


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7 minutes ago, mandyjw said:

So you're born again then? 

I was born again by pickup.

Later I was unborn by God's Love.


You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity.

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5 hours ago, Etherial Cat said:

At 31, I'm surely an old hag, please. :D Coca is not interested in being my beta cuck provider... ;)

lol

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@Leo Gura

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

I do have some bad habits from my pickup days. Pickup forces one to be hyper pragmatic and brutal. And then it takes years to unwire that. Pickup also wires in certain biases that later need to be unwried, but that takes deliberate effort.

These are the biggest downsides of pickup. It's like growing up in The Church of Vagina.

If you could start over would you have approached pickup and attraction in a different less biased, less pragmatic way? Or are such views neccesary to get success? Was your approach already mature and unbiased relative to most guys that do pickup?

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9 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

@Leo Gura

If you could start over would you have approached pickup and attraction in a different less biased, less pragmatic way? Or are such views neccesary to get success? Was your approach already mature and unbiased relative to most guys that do pickup?

I would just be more conscious of the biases inherent in pickup culture.

The principles and techniques are good. The culture is ridiculously toxic, immature, and self-biased. Dis-aggregating the two can be challenging.


You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity.

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21 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I would just be more conscious of the biases inherent in pickup culture.

The principles and techniques are good. The culture is ridiculously toxic, immature, and self-biased. Dis-aggregating the two can be challenging.

I can relate.

Pickup was a necessary, low consciousness lifestyle for me.

I wouldn't be where I am today without exhausting that lifestyle and soaking in the lessons from it.

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@Terell Kirby I see no issues with the theory of pick up, i just find the community very immature. It is not that you would not manipulate people if you did not know the concepts of pick up. People manipulate a lot either way.

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