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1 hour ago, Synnergy said:

China is totally different than the Western world.

Start criticizing the government there and see what happens.

@Synnergy My point wasn't to argue that either system is better or worse, or that China has a preferable system. My point was that Western values are subjective based on culture and ego. They are not truth. 

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8 hours ago, Stovo said:

@Synnergy My point wasn't to argue that either system is better or worse, or that China has a preferable system. My point was that Western values are subjective based on culture and ego. They are not truth. 

I take them to be objective truth since they have been proven to work in reality.

And I also stand with the West.

We're by far superior to other cultures and I'm not saying that because I have an ego.

We must acknowledge the moral superiority of the West.

Here is the deal: slavery was universal. The West is the first and only civilization on planet Earth that abolished slavery. That is what makes us morally different.

I would encourage you to stand with the West and enjoy your freedoms.

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23 hours ago, Synnergy said:

Those values are objectively proven by reality. They work! USA, Canada, Europe, and Australia, all these countries are capitalistic. They work and innovate all the time.

Just because it works for you doesn't mean that it works for everybody. It's ignorant to think so. Go and tell a homeless person that "capitalism works". Tell that all the veterans who became heroin addicts after they returned with PTSD that capitalism works. Tell all the billions of people in the world who're being exploited by neo-colonialism that "it works". It doesn't work for everyone equally. It's not the worst system we've ever had, I agree with that, but it can be WAAAAAY better. It's egoic to say that it works when it CLEARLY doesn't work for so many people. It's so funny that you're talking about "objectively" proven by "reality" when that's not the case. That's some S tier privilege.

Socialists ideas have made capitalism much better. Just look at the earlier days of capitalism, when people were being fired because they've gotten sick once, where you had to work for an inhumane amount of hours, where you and your children would have to starve if you got injured at work and couldn't work anymore. There was so much wrong with that system, but the people rose up and made it a little bit better, but we're not there yet.

And don't get me started on all the greedy lobbyists who're slowly destroying our earth.

It's a corrupt and broken system that has destroyed the lives of so many people. I don't see any reason to "conserve" it as it is. I believe that we need to progress towards a better future. One of the things that has gotten us humans so far is our ability to adept to our environment. We need to keep adapting. I believe that conservatism plays a role within all of this, so I don't blame you for being a conservative, you just do your part, but I think that you're being willingly ignorant by saying that "capitalism work". The question of whether something works doesn't have any simple yes or no answers. It's a spectrum. Newtons laws of physics work, they help us build airplanes for example, but they are not "true", as it has been proven through Albert Einsteins theory of relativity. They are true enough for air planes, but not true enough for space travel. It's a spectrum. Capitalism is better than feudalism, but thinking that we've reached a system that is "good enough" isn't true. Yes, it's true for you, but it isn't true for all the people who're suffering because of the system.

One quality that I've observed with conservatives, mainly because I've heard them talk about it a lot of times, not that progressives don't have it, is their consistency. Their view that when you fall, you should just get back up and keep going. That is true. This mindset can help you face the "unknown", as you'll fall a lot of times when you can't see where you're going. But the interesting thing is that they don't apply the same mentality to broader society. We're collectively facing the unknown. The unknown is scary. We will fail a lot of times. A lot of people still have to die. That's just how things are. But sitting still and just being contempt with how things are, or wanting to go back to how things were (which isn't really conservatism, but something I'd call regressivism) doesn't strike me as the same sort of mentality.

I don't denounce conservatism as it has its role in society, but personally I'd rather focus on progressing towards a better future. I'd just like to know WHY you would like to conserve the way things are? What about this reality is so good that you can't just see it getting any better?

And I'm not just asking you about your life, even if you get to enjoy your Starbucks coffee, but also about all the people who's lives are being destroyed by capitalism. You and I are getting a good deal, but what about all the people living in literal slums?

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12 hours ago, Synnergy said:

I take them to be objective truth since they have been proven to work in reality.

And I also stand with the West.

We're by far superior to other cultures and I'm not saying that because I have an ego.

We must acknowledge the moral superiority of the West.

Here is the deal: slavery was universal. The West is the first and only civilization on planet Earth that abolished slavery. That is what makes us morally different.

I would encourage you to stand with the West and enjoy your freedoms.

This right here is the unconsciousness and delusion of conservative worldview we speak of.

You see the "western culture" as objectively superior because you are looking at things from the perspective of "western culture". Of course. How could it be otherwise? Don't you see how obviously biased your worldview is?

Actualized.org is actively dismantling exactly these kinds of delusions. So it's obvious why you don't like the way things are done here.

Edited by roopepa

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3 hours ago, roopepa said:

This right here is the unconsciousness and delusion of conservative worldview we speak of.

You see the "western culture" as objectively superior because you are looking at things from the perspective of "western culture". Of course. How could it be otherwise? Don't you see how obviously biased your worldview is?

Actualized.org is actively dismantling exactly these kinds of delusions. So it's obvious why you don't like the way things are done here.

Well said.

@Synnergy All cultures believe they are superior to all others, whether morally or on any other criteria. It takes relatively conscious people to realise this is not the case.

 

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20 hours ago, Synnergy said:

I take them to be objective truth since they have been proven to work in reality.

And I also stand with the West.

We're by far superior to other cultures and I'm not saying that because I have an ego.

We must acknowledge the moral superiority of the West.

Here is the deal: slavery was universal. The West is the first and only civilization on planet Earth that abolished slavery. That is what makes us morally different.

I would encourage you to stand with the West and enjoy your freedoms.

   This is very true. If Actualized.org was based in China, China would have censored this place WAY before Leo got to talk about psychedelics and reality. Here in the west, there's enough wiggle room to talk about advanced topics like this. No where esle than the western world would this be slightly more open to discourse, anywhere else is mostly private and in small groups. Anywhere else that spokesperson might even get killed. There's nothing like the western world.

   I also agree about capitalism working, it's working too well that some people can't keep up with the machine. This is why we need a little dash of some values of stage green and little bit of socialism to keep capitalism functioning at a pace where most can benefit from it still.

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