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Why is North Korea so weird?

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YouTuber, Comrade Marshall Hakim, has uploaded a juicy one today.

 


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Because weird is a purely relative notion.


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I believe the world is grossly misinformed about the DPRK. I have never been there or talked to anyone who has. But if you use basic reasoning skills, you can deduce that things are not as bad in DPRK as they are portrayed. Why?

The defector testimony industry in South Korea pretty much guarantees that nobody can ever know for sure what is really going on there. It is a fact that North Korean defectors are massively incentivised to give negative testimony about the North. They reach celebrity status if their stories are horrible enough. The more gruesome details they can make up, the more money they are paid. And conversely, any defector who has anything positive to say about DPRK are put on a watchlist as a potential spy.

As you can tell by the news coverage of DPRK there is no story crazy enough for people not to believe. You can say literally anything bad you want about North Korea and people believe you. But if you raise doubts about those stories, you are immediately suspect. So if anyone who has actually been to North Korea tells us things aren't what we think, nobody believes them. It does not fit the narrative. That in itself indicates that conditions there can not possibly be as bad as we are being told.

Here's a documentary about DPRK defectors who don't tell the same old stories. And it's really telling that youtube decided to censor the video.. for what reason exactly?

 

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On 7/19/2021 at 4:47 AM, Epikur said:

 

nonsense propaganda. This video is all just unproven tabloid headlines. **** you for spreading this divisive hate.

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49 minutes ago, Stomatopod said:

 

 

I saw this documentary, very good


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Wow the extent of the bias and deliberate misinformation by global media reporting on a country such as North Korea is incredible after watching this video. It is like an invisible propaganda veil that infected and informed the media coverage of anything regarded DPRK by almost all media in countries around the globe be it pro or against North Korea. It is incredible how this South Korean deliberate misinfo spread all across the globe. Mind-blowing video for me about the country deconstructing the gruesome and pumped up ridiculous propaganda effort told against the countries government to paint it as the most insane and tyrannical in the world. Sure it has its very real faults associated with the way that its governed but the ridiculous charges about their government activity thrown against them worked incredibly as an invisible global propaganda against them. 

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If you check any books you'll find out North Korea is extremely bad  

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Hark ye yet again — the little lower layer. All visible objects, man, are but as pasteboard masks. But in each event — in the living act, the undoubted deed — there, some unknown but still reasoning thing puts forth the mouldings of its features from behind the unreasoning mask. If man will strike, strike through the mask! How can the prisoner reach outside except by thrusting through the wall? To me, the white whale is that wall, shoved near to me. Sometimes I think there's naught beyond. But 'tis enough

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1 hour ago, lmfao said:

If you check any books you'll find out North Korea is extremely bad  

Yes it as a hereditary, authoritarian one-party totalitarian state where you have no political rights, freedoms, civil liberties and free access to information but still its not this madmans 'hermit kingdom' (as I've seen outlets use that term) playground where anything can become law and or be stated or declared as the popular culture fostered by inaccurate and intentionally misinforming mainstream media reporting wants you to believe about the country and the government using its sources obtained from South Korean intelligence services or bribed defectors testimonies. 


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@Milos Uzelac Fair enough. My personal impression is that some of the media is more interested in dramatising North Korea, presenting in ways which are just meant to give you entertainment. 

Maybe there's some misinformation, idk I don't really keep up. I'm just not surprised that the media does that, but maybe you guys are pointing it out because this is an important issue and a unique situation. And so little is known about that country, and yeah the media seems to do a dog shit job of informing you about it. 

 

North Korea had (and probably still does now) a ridiculously large prison population ["perhaps as many as 200,000 in the early 1990's"], citizens were starving , and the ghosts of everyone who died when the Titanic sank in April 15th 1912 had their grudges and wrath at the world incarnated into a baby born that day called Kim Song-ju. These are the facts!! NK is horrendous. 

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Hark ye yet again — the little lower layer. All visible objects, man, are but as pasteboard masks. But in each event — in the living act, the undoubted deed — there, some unknown but still reasoning thing puts forth the mouldings of its features from behind the unreasoning mask. If man will strike, strike through the mask! How can the prisoner reach outside except by thrusting through the wall? To me, the white whale is that wall, shoved near to me. Sometimes I think there's naught beyond. But 'tis enough

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Orwellian type state. I mean most of them haven't even heard of Michael Jackson lol shows how closed off they are.

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The problem is we are actively prevented from knowing what is actually true. Example of what I mean, in Denmark we have a small nonprofit organization called the Danish North Korean Friendship Association, with about 100 members. Their goal is basically just to work towards solidarity and peace by adding nuance to the coverage of DPRK. These are people who have traveled extensively in North Korea dozens of times, and according to them, are given more freedom to explore than the average tourist. If you are hostile to DPRK you won't be given access to anything, if you are 'friendly' to DPRK and report seeing anything positive, nobody will believe you. Could someone like this 'friendship organization' have something to add to the discourse about DPRK? 

We will never know that, because they are relentlessly and universally vilified and mocked by danish media and politicians. They can't hold any kind of public event without being harassed and attacked. They are excluded from joining even other peace protests and left wing events. Just by being a member of the friendship organization will put you on a watch list by the PET (danish intelligence service), who have an ugly history of infiltrating and disrupting left wing groups. It really makes me wonder, what is it exactly that is so bad about deviating from the 100% nonstop demonization of this country?

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My guess is all you can do for North Korea is to expose the people inside that country, citizen and government folk alike, to as much foreign people, exchange and media as possible.

And then you have to wait out the clock for an organic revolution domestic to the country, meanwhile protecting yourself and skillfully managing the threats of their regime. 

I'm guessing organic revolution, but there's no way to predict or know. Maybe someone needs to take over or attack that country? I don't know! 


Hark ye yet again — the little lower layer. All visible objects, man, are but as pasteboard masks. But in each event — in the living act, the undoubted deed — there, some unknown but still reasoning thing puts forth the mouldings of its features from behind the unreasoning mask. If man will strike, strike through the mask! How can the prisoner reach outside except by thrusting through the wall? To me, the white whale is that wall, shoved near to me. Sometimes I think there's naught beyond. But 'tis enough

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All I've seen is from youtube videos of people who traveled there. Seems like a dystopian society to me. Information is heavily controlled to control the population.  I mean, life as a whole is what you perceive it to be, and you don't miss what you don't have. It's easy for westerners to sit outside and judge, but when you're dealing with a nation that monitors every app you have on your phone and makes you use their own custom operating system, well it doesn't seem like a system to me that would encourage self discovery or personal growth.

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I think the media is almost forced to make things up because no one hardly ever gets in to N. Korea and that includes media.  And it's rare if any journalist is allowed in to take pictures.  They are accompanied at all times by officials who will only allow them into certain places and they make sure that pictures are posed showing what the N. Koreans want to show.  So reporting any true facts is nearly impossible.

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Its weird from just a perspective. From the North Korean dictator perspective, it is not weird.


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Update: Comrade Marshall Hakim has uploaded a new video

 


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I don´t believe what mass media says about korea.

 

I know a guy who went to train a basketball team  there and says North Korea is a very healty and happy society

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@RedLineI dont know anything about North Korea and I think not believing the media is the first step not to be a puppet.

But just hearing things from someone doesn't mean anything. Many of the time it just mean something is wrong and something makes this people pretend everything is ok. 

Example. In my country serving the army if forced. People in my country believe that army ''makes you a man''. Which is funny cause it probably makes you submissive. They just can't accept they have no freedom and they are taken advantage by greedy people. It's a mass delusion. A mass consensus that most probably at least half of the population know it's a story they choose to agree in order not to feel bad. Me included. 

 

It's about who is in the ''matrix'' (the narratives of society) and who is not. I have plenty of examples but if you are in the matrix of those kind of example you are not going to like it so I let it there.

I don't believe anything the media tells me either but it doesn't seem to me like NK isn't a sick country

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