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Struggling with Blackpill

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23 minutes ago, Hulia said:

@ll Ontology ll They all speak here about high quality men and women. But nobody speaks about high quality sex, though this is their ultimate purpose. Does so called high quality woman guarantee high quality sex? 

Fuck yeah, with my idea of a high-quality woman it'd be so hot it'd practically take your face off.


'When you look outside yourself for something to make you feel complete, you never get to know the fullness of your essential nature.' - Amoda Maa Jeevan

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9 hours ago, EternalForest said:

Alright so I've just read your original post and haven't read any replies but when it comes to the Black Pill, let me give it to you straight, man. I used to have a lot of the same negative and defeatist sort of beliefs about women, until I realized one very important thing:

Even if the Black Pill is true, it doesn't matter at all!

It doesn't matter if there isn't a single woman in the entire world wants to have a relationship with you at the moment. Why? Because you need to live your own life.

Do you. Forget about what women want and live your dreams. Pursue your passions. Live the life you've already dreamed of. Be the genuine person that you really want to be.

Once you do this, you'll realize all this sulking and negativity was just a waste of your time. Every moment that you spend bitter about the fact you don't have a girlfriend is one moment that you could be spending pursuing your passions, helping others, building your company, creating your art, and ultimately changing the world. 

And you know what? Once you start living your best life, you'll eventually find the quality women that you have a lot in common with. You'll attract and gravitate towards the women that are perfect for you.

If I were you? Forget that you ever found the Black Pill, get off the internet, and have some fun. Work hard. Play hard.

Wish you the best!

   This is good, solid advice. Way more solid than other advice here.

   If OP is still reading, one thing that makes the black pill seem very true, is that it revolves around the body. That's it, the body's limitations. People are born with what body they have. their head shape, their muscle tone(lean, ripped, puffy muscles, muscle sizes), their bone structures(tall, short, thick), their skin quality(dry vs oil skin types), different brain chemistry and genetics. All these, you have to negotiate around with, seriously, because these parts are the only ones you largely will have for the rest of your life, plus exceptions.

   The brutal reality, for men, is that the face, the skull, and their body composition, that they are born with, will play a factor in attraction. whatever physical qualities they have, and this correlates with higher volumes of rejection, which stockpiles negatives, which make it harder for men who are more uglier naturally. These men have few options, they compensate elsewhere, like developing personality and social intelligence, and try their best to manage with the cards they are dealt with, or they accept these limitations, and like the user said above, go on with life, and do something meaningful in life and forget about this area of life, which dating is one area of life that is skippable. 

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17 hours ago, Emerald said:

The women on here ARE misunderstood and deliberately so.

The men on here FEEL misunderstood when they are not.

Yupp. Just say it out loud. Women are intellectually superior to men. And men are 'STUPID!!' We're starting to see the reality now.

Mods, is this hate-speech?

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6 hours ago, Parththakkar12 said:

Yupp. Just say it out loud. Women are intellectually superior to men. And men are 'STUPID!!' We're starting to see the reality now.

Mods, is this hate-speech?

You’re projecting onto what I said.

Men on here don’t understand women. But not because they’re stupid or intellectually inferior.

It’s only because they aren’t receptive and don’t listen.

They would rather hold onto their own made up stories about female desire which make them feel safer and less vulnerable than actually hearing the truth.

It feels threatening to them, so they don’t want to accept the truths of the female perspective.


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45 minutes ago, Emerald said:

You’re projecting onto what I said.

Men on here don’t understand women. But not because they’re stupid or intellectually inferior.

It’s only because they aren’t receptive and don’t listen.

They would rather hold onto their own made up stories about female desire which make them feel safer and less vulnerable than actually hearing the truth.

It feels threatening to them, so they don’t want to accept the truths of the female perspective.

It was a pretty intellectually arrogant generalization. Pretty neat way of invalidating the male perspective. You're just asking for it from men in return, quite frankly.


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@EmeraldBoth parties don't understand each other equally. This isn't a man vs woman ordeal, but rather a person vs person ordeal. This has very little to do with a person's capacity to listen and largely has to do with a person's inner knowing of them own self or lack there of I should say. If we can not know ourselves and I don't mean our surface level ego bs, then how can we expect to know others?

You are a damn teacher...are you really teaching your students this stuff? You have some great content and if others latch onto that they will also latch onto this idea as well. It's not a healthy idea, it's not a "this is what I've experienced" idea, but rather it's a completely biased and condescending one.

When I was much younger I used to believe women couldn't understand me, specially as a man. I learned how foolish I was by looking inside my self and dropping the silly belief. I started to allow others to understand me and having faith they could. Having a prior biased against their understanding means I made unconscious psychological actions that will only revalidate my world view by withholding myself away. Once this biases were removed my relationships with women(and men) grew hundreds of times more meaningful. Just as you do not appreciate someone holding a biased against you due to you being a woman, others won't feel the same regardless of sex.

Again, this is a personal lack of understanding that causes all of these issue. I would say the misunderstanding of self is equally shared in all sexes and races.

I could never personally not see someone as an equal again and give them myself as Nos7algiK and nothing more/less. For me to ever treat someone anyone a different way(outside of being more mindful with children) would for some type of insecurity or trauma to arise in me. There would be hidden sexist or racist tendencies regardless if they are truly hateful or not. No, it's not just "that's my experience" because that's exactly how sexism and racism is formed....

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Guys, cool it.

You're obviously not understanding each other due to attachment to your own perspective.

Arguing from that point is just digging your own hole deeper.


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3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Guys, cool it.

You're obviously not understanding each other due to attachment to your own perspective.

Arguing from that point is just digging your own hole deeper.

You are right, so I'll take my leave from this. I should have stopped playing the ego games long ago for I knew what I was doing. 

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3 hours ago, Emerald said:

Men on here don’t understand women. But not because they’re stupid or intellectually inferior.

Some of us are trying, I promise.

(To understand, I mean, not your patience.)


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On 23/07/2021 at 9:08 AM, SamC said:

Don't negate when men feel missunderstand as projection... notice how you do the exact same thing to yourself and guys that guys do to you. You missunderstand and invalidate many men's experience.

That's not a bug, that's a feature. A predictable feature.

Question, why do you consider it so paramount for the male perspective to be understood or accepted by women? Why is that important for you?

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@Nos7algiK never wrestle with a pig bcuz you get dirty too and the pig likes it

emerald said she is here to spar and win 

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1 hour ago, Harlen Kelly said:

 

That's not a bug, that's a feature. A predictable feature.

Question, why do you consider it so paramount for the male perspective to be understood or accepted by women? Why is that important for you?

How is it a predictable feuture? Why is it not a bug. Tell me more, that's sounds interesting XDXD

Well, it's only important because I have a trauma around not being understood and that I want to be understood and that I feel even more missunderstood when woman say that men cannot be missunderstood becuase that's my experience, my childhood trauma, that I have been missunderstood.

I feel missunderstood by woman and think that I will be healed when woman understand me.

 

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@SamC "How is it a predictable feuture? Why is it not a bug. Tell me more, that's sounds interesting XDXD"

That's how dense idiological positions operate. 

"I feel missunderstood by woman and think that I will be healed when woman understand me."

You will be healed by turning inwards and becoming more conscious, not by looking for validation or acceptance from women (or from anybody for that matter). 

Additionally, trying to get validation or acceptance from women is one of the most unattractive things you can do, it's a loser's game.

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2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Guys, cool it.

You're obviously not understanding each other due to attachment to your own perspective.

Arguing from that point is just digging your own hole deeper.

The issue really is that some people are trying to gaslight other people out of their perspective by saying it either isn't their perspective or that their perspective isn't valid.

And then the people being gaslit are putting their foot down and saying "No. This is actually my perspective and it's valid."

It's different than not understanding the other. Many who are being gaslit do understand the other quite well. They are just tired of being intentionally misunderstood. 

Also, I never actually said anything in this post about the male bias. It's always been about the female bias because that's what's being misunderstood so intentionally. 

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2 hours ago, RickyFitts said:

Some of us are trying, I promise.

(To understand, I mean, not your patience.)

I do realize this. I apologize for writing it as a generalization. 


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2 hours ago, Nos7algiK said:

@EmeraldBoth parties don't understand each other equally. This isn't a man vs woman ordeal, but rather a person vs person ordeal. This has very little to do with a person's capacity to listen and largely has to do with a person's inner knowing of them own self or lack there of I should say. If we can not know ourselves and I don't mean our surface level ego bs, then how can we expect to know others?

You are a damn teacher...are you really teaching your students this stuff? You have some great content and if others latch onto that they will also latch onto this idea as well. It's not a healthy idea, it's not a "this is what I've experienced" idea, but rather it's a completely biased and condescending one.

When I was much younger I used to believe women couldn't understand me, specially as a man. I learned how foolish I was by looking inside my self and dropping the silly belief. I started to allow others to understand me and having faith they could. Having a prior biased against their understanding means I made unconscious psychological actions that will only revalidate my world view by withholding myself away. Once this biases were removed my relationships with women(and men) grew hundreds of times more meaningful. Just as you do not appreciate someone holding a biased against you due to you being a woman, others won't feel the same regardless of sex.

Again, this is a personal lack of understanding that causes all of these issue. I would say the misunderstanding of self is equally shared in all sexes and races.

I could never personally not see someone as an equal again and give them myself as Nos7algiK and nothing more/less. For me to ever treat someone anyone a different way(outside of being more mindful with children) would for some type of insecurity or trauma to arise in me. There would be hidden sexist or racist tendencies regardless if they are truly hateful or not. No, it's not just "that's my experience" because that's exactly how sexism and racism is formed....

That's just not true.

The misunderstanding isn't equal on both sides. And you're wise to realize that it's not.

Women (and society at large) knows a lot more about the male bias than men (and society at large) know about the female bias. There is no question here. It is not equal on both sides. 

The middle ground fallacy might seem like it's the right thing because it puts equal weight on everything. But the misunderstanding isn't equal here. 

The feminine perspective is far less known in general. And notice how much more hostility and gaslighting a woman gets when she shares her truths. You get tons of people who have the understanding "Never listen to a woman about what she wants" and who will fight tooth and nail just to convince her that her biases aren't her biases and that her preferences aren't her preferences. 

There are ZERO women on this forum who will tell you, "Don't listen to men about what they want." We know your perspective. We understand your perspective. And we are not in denial about your perspective. 

And this actually confers a lot of advantages from a dating standpoint. But it's very frustrating to be constantly misrepresented and misunderstood... especially when the misunderstanding is active and intentional. 


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@Emerald We are only running around in circles here. If we continue to talk about this we are going to just repeat the same ideas over and over. I don't believe either of us is truly right or wrong. I understand your personal perspective, not because you are a woman, but because you are Emerald. This doesn't mean I have to agree with you. I don't fully disagree and I do feel like what you are saying helps at a certain level. But, I should be more wise to understand it's pointless to argue against the relative nature of the ego's self biases.

You can assume you understand my perspective because I'm a man, but my view has little to do with my sex and more to do with me being Nos7algiK. If you wish to know deeper, I do not agree with most men on the forum and find it somewhat cringing and will only set themselves up to be devils in a woman's eye. But, that may stem from being out of touch with my own masculine side. I honestly can't say.


When it comes to someone I do agree with wholeheartedly on this forum @Etherial Cat has a very healthy balance within herself and a great perceptive on it all.

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