Preety_India

Why can't humanity transcend survival?

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15 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

People have to stop having many children for the sake of environment. Not selfishly producing children like India 

 

You are the one who is being selfish here.

Even if we cap like 2 children per family like China did, the Global population would still be about 10 billion by 2100. Requiring Orange to sustain it. 

At 1 the working population itself will reduce. Who will produce the wealth to redistribute with no working population? Even if we forget the human right thing for a moment, which is a terrible thing to do. Same outcome at a Zero cap. 

 

 

Now assuming we magically freeze the current population in time. Even then your plan will fail just after a few million people. Not 7.5 Billion. So it still requires killing people to work.

On top of that remember there is not enough wealth to redistribute even at micro levels in most countries. India and other countries need Orange. Even the US needs more people being orange and orange/green. Let alone other countries. Contrary to online echo chambers, the US is having collective Orange and Orange/Green awakenings. Not pure Green ones, this is only an exaggerated belief in certain online groups.

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27 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

Not a complete transcending of survival because that's literally impossible. 

However a partial way can be found where survival doesn't take up so much space in this world.

I think the term you're looking for can be defined as morality, but a specific kind. My idea of morality is to maximize collective survival while moving it towards collective selflessness. In other words, what would it look like if you tried to account for everyone's limited and selfish needs while also trying to optimize their future needs (a.k.a reduce their future selfish needs)?


To balance beauty and complexity so perfectly is a divine mystery.

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2 minutes ago, RendHeaven said:

You only want all of this because you think that it'll minimize the hurt that you and your loved ones carry (while in the same breath, throwing away the needs and desires of others) ... survival101.

It's about reducing the global burden of survival that leads to violence, competition and war.

Needless amount of time is wasted in all of this and humanity collectively stops focusing on high consciousness.

If we only focus on individual Spirituality, a social change will always remain a pipedream.

Consider poor people. They have to work 3 jobs. Where is the time to focus on high consciousness and spiritual growth? Forget about spiritual growth, they cannot even focus on simple actualization activities like diet and exercise.

Poverty is rising and middle class is shrinking because of ruthless capitalism and elite controlling governments. This is all survival game and this is gradually destroying the planet.

In fact these very survival games are destroying survival of everyone.

One cannot have a system where only few people fight for survival and letting others suffer. It leads to war, violence and widespread suffering.

You can already witness this in America. There is rising fascism and middle class is famished.

There are violent riots happening in America. It's survival of one group against the other 

The only way to control this chaos is to put an end to survival games and ensure a universal safe survival for everyone, so there's no more fighting for survival.

Once we stop survival games/fighting, then we can have peace and from there we can focus on higher goals.

After all the objective is to go beyond survival and focus on higher virtues and growth.

If we are stuck with survival games, higher growth can never happen, there will never be harmony and peace, in fact there will be chaos and destruction which means more survival games, it becomes a vicious cycle.

There is no point of talking about high consciousness if the embodiment is not going to be seen in this world, it's empty platitudes.

Also such a movement cannot be created by one person. Since one person cannot bring systemic change. You need everyone to participate at one time and make it happen by gaining momentum otherwise it will die down under the pressure of survival and opposition.

So you'll need humanity to collectively join forces to end survival games.

I've realised that the root cause of suffering and lack of Spirituality in the world is nothing but stupid survival games that everyone is forced to play because of a dysfunctional system that we are following like headless chickens without revolting.

 

 


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2 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

It's about reducing the global burden of survival that leads to violence, competition and war.

Needless amount of time is wasted in all of this and humanity collectively stops focusing on high consciousness.

If we only focus on individual Spirituality, a social change will always remain a pipedream.

Consider poor people. They have to work 3 jobs. Where is the time to focus on high consciousness and spiritual growth? Forget about spiritual growth, they cannot even focus on simple actualization activities like diet and exercise.

Poverty is rising and middle class is shrinking because of ruthless capitalism and elite controlling governments. This is all survival game and this is gradually destroying the planet.

In fact these very survival games are destroying survival of everyone.

One cannot have a system where only few people fight for survival and letting others suffer. It leads to war, violence and widespread suffering.

You can already witness this in America. There is rising fascism and middle class is famished.

There are violent riots happening in America. It's survival of one group against the other 

The only way to control this chaos is to put an end to survival games and ensure a universal safe survival for everyone, so there's no more fighting for survival.

Once we stop survival games/fighting, then we can have peace and from there we can focus on higher goals.

After all the objective is to go beyond survival and focus on higher virtues and growth.

If we are stuck with survival games, higher growth can never happen, there will never be harmony and peace, in fact there will be chaos and destruction which means more survival games, it becomes a vicious cycle.

There is no point of talking about high consciousness if the embodiment is not going to be seen in this world, it's empty platitudes.

Also such a movement cannot be created by one person. Since one person cannot bring systemic change. You need everyone to participate at one time and make it happen by gaining momentum otherwise it will die down under the pressure of survival and opposition.

So you'll need humanity to collectively join forces to end survival games.

I've realised that the root cause of suffering and lack of Spirituality in the world is nothing but stupid survival games that everyone is forced to play because of a dysfunctional system that we are following like headless chickens without revolting.

 

 

@Preety_India You are talking like Thanos now, bro. Integrate Orange please. 

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6 minutes ago, captainamerica said:

At 1 the working population itself will reduce. Who will produce the wealth to redistribute with no working population? Even if we forget the human right thing for a moment, which is a terrible thing to do. Same outcome at a Zero cap. 

The working population never becomes zero.

The whole working population thing is a myth. 

Even if people die because of no jobs, eventually this is good for humanity because eventually the population willl keep declining. It's like a sacrifice. 

An increasing population is a huge global threat. 

There is no need to working population. Because the eventual goal is to decline all numbers.

It is best if some people don't have children.

In fact many times I feel like I should not have kids.

People need to sacrifice their desires for the future of humanity.

The population has to come down for a safe future which means less children or no children whatever may be the consequences.

Don't worry about population going to zero. That never happens.

 


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Just now, Preety_India said:

Even if people die because of no jobs, eventually this is good for humanity because eventually the population willl keep declining. It's like a sacrifice. 

An increasing population is a huge global threat. 

There is no need to working population. Because the eventual goal is to decline all numbers.

It is best if some people don't have children.

People need to sacrifice their desires for the future of humanity.

@Preety_India  

 

3 minutes ago, captainamerica said:

@Preety_India You are talking like Thanos now, bro. Integrate Orange please. 

 

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  • Legalize all forms of euthanasia, suicide and assisted suicide (irrespective of ill health).
  • Educate children on infinite consciousness and the impossibility of absolute unconsciousness in the 1st-person.
  • Reverse the dysfunctional relationship human's have with death. Stop treating death as a primary antagonist.

 

 

 

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20 minutes ago, Alfonsoo said:

Cant you see all this is survival? 

Why would you concentrate in agriculture if no too survive?

Why would you make rights the same if not to survive?

Why would you limit how many goods/resources one can have if not to survive?

Why eliminate de 1% if not to survive?

Why teach responsibility if not to make a society survive?

Why discourage consumerism if not to survive ?

 

I hope you can see how all these items on your list are nothing but survival.

Well of course. The objective is to reduce focus on survival. This can only happen when survival is provided for. 

The more people fight for it, the worse it gets.

When people get food, they will stop focusing on food. That's the idea 

 


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20 minutes ago, Alfonsoo said:

And you say this because you don't want human kind, animals, your country, the world as you know it, or even  yourself to die. You identify with all these, you hold them dear and essential to your reality. This is no transcendence of survival. IT's just survival propagating more survival

Yea because india is a country right now and it is disproportionately and inhumanely contributing to human population burden 

 


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38 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

Well of course. The objective is to reduce focus on survival. This can only happen when survival is provided for. 

On the contrary. You're giving all the focus on survival by keeping such tight control. You cannot force people to level up in their consciousness because they'll backlash and things will get worse Thant they were to begin with.

But don't worry! If you look back at history you'll see that humanity is definitely growing more and more conscious. Perhaps a bit slowly considering the circumstances.

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1 minute ago, Alfonsoo said:

On the contrary. You're giving all the focus on survival by keeping such tight control. You cannot force people to level up in their consciousness because they'll backlash and things will get worse Thant they were to begin with.

But don't worry! If you look back at history you'll see that humanity is definitely growing more and more conscious. Perhaps a bit slowly considering the circumstances.

How. Capitalism is getting worse! Middle class is shrinking. Unemployment is record high. Suicide and depression have sky rocketed.

Only the Elites are fattening.


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8 hours ago, Alfonsoo said:

On the contrary. You're giving all the focus on survival by keeping such tight control. You cannot force people to level up in their consciousness because they'll backlash and things will get worse Thant they were to begin with.

But don't worry! If you look back at history you'll see that humanity is definitely growing more and more conscious. Perhaps a bit slowly considering the circumstances.

Boom. It must be natural.

At the end of the day, all enlightenment shows is that reality is fundamentally perfect, with or without pain on a human scale. Trying to force change on the world is a surefire recipe for devastation paid back twofold. If a course is projected upon people who don't agree with it, violence is the only logical outcome. 

Hell, just for the sake of fun, you can think about all the Ukrainian farmers who had their crops seized by the USSR in the name of feeding the entire population. Or how about the theft of family land from countless Slavic and Baltic countries to redistribute wealth via Moscow? Or how about the birth regulations imposed by China on their own citizens? 

All of these things were for the greater good, right? ... Right?

Depends who's on the short end of the stick. 

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11 hours ago, Preety_India said:

How. Capitalism is getting worse! Middle class is shrinking. Unemployment is record high. Suicide and depression have sky rocketed.

Only the Elites are fattening.

A complex world calls for complex problems. Would you rather have unemployment and depression as major world problems or problems from the past like some conquistadors coming to your sacred land raping, killing and spreading disease on a massive scale (for example). You don't have to go as far back but you get the point. You should be thankful that here's no war where half of the globe is involved and there's actually killing. Wars today are mostly cyber attacks.

Capitalism will eventually burst. You can see it with van lifers, minimalism, zero waste, etc. It has to start small but people are starting to be just slightly more conscious (in this case, conscious about how they consume). Just recently there was some (slight) media attention on how the ultra rich evade taxes.

It takes a great deal of energy and time to go from 0 to 1. People naturally resist change, specially towards higher consciousness.

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@captainamerica

13 hours ago, captainamerica said:

Are you going to kill people? 

There is no other way.

This has failed hundreds and thousands of times it has been tried. In practice, this leads to mass starvation and thousands of percent increase in crime rate. Millions of deaths. The reason why the Socialism movement is a failure. 

Most people on Earth want it. And most of the countries need it. Otherwise mass starvation and deaths for the less developed countries. Taking away basic human rights is not cool.

 

   Man, you're analysis is spot on. There's little to no hope for humanity to transcend survival, it's down to the individual to transcend.

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21 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@captainamerica

   There's little to no hope for humanity to transcend survival, it's down to the individual to transcend.

@Danioover9000 I agree. These things take hundreds and thousands of years to scale. Forcing it and being impatient with it always leads to devilry. 

 

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Posted (edited)

Creating a movement is forcing it ??

Sit on your lazy ass. Pfft.

Wait another 1000 years for humanity to wake up.

I'm smoking weed. Goodluck.

 

 

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@Preety_India In order to teach spirituality, you already need a whole lot of structures to preserve both maps and containers. They are the dynamics behind language, political ideologies, food supply or balance within countries/species/identities/galactic empires/etc. Spiritual movements can't even agree on a single construct, as you can see in Hinduism or Buddhism, and consistently get deformed over time until either they have lost their original meanings (Buddhism dropping the proper meaning of Anattā) or either the scope is not up to date anymore (how Buddhism has been overshadowed by Scientism).

I'm not saying it's hopeless, as there are ways to cope with this. I think Leo has kind of set a new standard for spirituality since now people know insights are infinite, and metaphysics can be inclusive/comprehensive instead of being confined to its own abstract bubble.

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@nuwu We are not concerned with any of this.

Comparison's only use is to understand and advance after the initiation of a goal.

We do not decide by comparing others with others whether our goals are the right once.

To do so would be the mind's work of a coward.

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