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Why can't humanity transcend survival?

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But even if we want a smooth survival for everyone, this can only be ensured for a very small population.
This means the human population should be extremely small for the survival needs to be met.
Can UBI and a small population solve survival woes of humanity?

So you're saying that people, on average, consume more than they produce in their lifetime?

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It's already that way, it's just that when you identify with being the body you usually fail to use the tool as it's meant to be used. You think the treasure is the tool and not just the means through which to love, you cut yourself off from love that has always, already got your back, even if it gets nailed to a cross. 

Physical survival is actually done so efficiently it's as if it's already taken care of when we realize we are not a self that needs our focus on the possibility of our death or psychological misfortune all the time. 

"Beware", is just be and aware, sandwiched together with scary boogeymen connotations attached. Awareness got you. When you try extremely hard to balance the boat, you rock the boat and then you think it takes all these wild gymnastics to balance the thing so it doesn't tip over. Just sit the fuck down and enjoy. 

 


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God includes devilry. You are all of it.

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9 hours ago, Preety_India said:

Then why do you keep preaching high consciousness if transcending survival is Devilry in your eyes? And you really believe that high Consciousness is possible without transcending survival then your thinking is foolish ?

I am not building any kind of movement.

I am preaching to YOU -- the individual who can awaken.

Any time you gather a mob of people you will create devilry and evil.


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10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Yup, now you got it.

It's all a distraction right? Praise our selves with all the attentions and drama of a movement doing meaningless work but never do the real deep work.

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51 minutes ago, Alfonsoo said:

It's all a distraction right? Praise our selves with all the attentions and drama of a movement doing meaningless work but never do the real deep work.

Maybe it's not about praising onself, maybe that's your egoic projection.

Like he said he is not into creating a movement.

But I don't judge people who demand movements because they want social change on a bigger level that would need a huge participation of people as well as Resources to keep such movements alive.

Remember LGBTQ is not a single person but a movement of awareness.

 


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1 hour ago, Alfonsoo said:

It's all a distraction right? Praise our selves with all the attentions and drama of a movement doing meaningless work but never do the real deep work.

Of course.

You don't want Truth, you love your delusions.

Transcending survival is the most difficult thing in the universe. You will not allow yourself to do it.


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8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Of course.

You don't want Truth, you love your delusions.

Transcending survival is the most difficult thing in the universe. You will not allow yourself to do it.

LGBTQ movement is also Devilry?

I mean I just don't get you 

You're being so absolutist here and calling all movements bad

 

Even socialism is a movement.

 


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11 hours ago, Blackhawk said:

All of you are in a strong survival mode. You don't want to die. And when someone is suicidal you try to prevent the suicide from happening. And if a loved one would die you would be absolutely devastated.

So this idea that survival is only for pathetic low consciousness people is obviously nonsense.

Oh Jesus. For the love of God... stop projecting. You don't have any clue where people are at in regards to death. You're talking to people in the 2nd person as if the axioms that pertain to death and loved ones are absolute. But they're not.

Just because you are afraid of death and and just because you love family, doesn't mean that other people are afraid of death and love family.

Fear of death / love of family are features of the animal condition and ultimately can be transcended. As has been said prior: If you love your own family more than the homeless dude down the street, then you're doing it wrong. There is no death. There is no family nor group preference. Period.

It's not a crime to be ignorant but please stop projecting it onto others. Recognize it.

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40 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

LGBTQ movement is also Devilry?

I mean I just don't get you 

You're being so absolutist here and calling all movements bad

I didn't call movements "bad".

The context of this conversation was transcending survival.

All social movements are survival in action. LGBTQ is survival.

There is nothing wrong with survival per se. It just isn't transcendence.

You are confused because you're conflating relative and absolute matters.


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Just now, Leo Gura said:

I didn't call movement "bad".

The context of this conversation was transcending survival.

All social movements are survival in action. LGBTQ is all survival.

There is nothing wrong with survival per se. It just isn't transcendence.

But what if someone made a movement about transcending survival ?

 


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3 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

But what if someone made a movement about transcending survival ?

In practice that leads to some of the greatest evils of all time.

It's been tried thousands of times. Just look at history.

You cannot awaken a herd of sheep.


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@Leo Gura

32 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

In practice that leads to some of the greatest evils of all time.

It's been tried thousands of times. Just look at history.

You cannot awaken a herd of sheep.

    History is rich with these examples, and it even effects spiritual groups as well, how each group evolves different ways to practice spirituality. Could survival and spirituality sometimes overlap?

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You people who claim that you have transcended survival: can you give a example of something where it shows that you have transcended survival?


"Never underestimate the power of human stupidity."   — Robert A. Heinlein

"I'm allergic to stupidity."   — Chris Colfer

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Posted (edited)

Because literally everything in life is about survival. 

That's what you're doing all day long. Survival. 

😂

Edited by Someone here

I live my life in a dream; the constant threat of a rude awakening keeps me on my toes.
-Mettley Zimmer

 

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15 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Because literally everything in life is about survival. 

That's what you're doing all day long. Survival. 

😂

Like a fish in water, they can't see it 😂

"Water? What?"


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@Leo Gura   Have all awakened beings not transcended survival in a way ? Because even though it appears they are still taking action to survive, those actions are rooted in love rather than in fear.

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31 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

@Leo Gura   Have all awakened beings not transcended survival in a way ? Because even though it appears they are still taking action to survive, those actions are rooted in love rather than in fear.

I still wouldn't call this "transcending" survival. Transcending means to go beyond the limits of something. As long as any of us exist as a particular form, there is no such thing as transcendence. If we want to stop playing the survival game, we are free to do so—but the consequences are stark and immediate for this particular mind-body. Survival will remain the fundamental drive of all organic beings for the foreseeable future. Even sages and yogis, after all, have to sustain their bodies (and they do). They may coexist with survival, but they have not transcended it. 

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1 minute ago, OneHandClap said:

I still wouldn't call this "transcending" survival. Transcending means to go beyond the limits of something. As long as any of us exist as a particular form, there is no such thing as transcendence. If we want to stop playing the survival game, we are free to do so—but the consequences are stark and immediate for this particular mind-body. Survival will remain the fundamental drive of all organic beings for the foreseeable future. Even sages and yogis, after all, have to sustain their bodies (and they do). They may coexist with survival, but they have not transcended it. 

I hear you, what an awakened being has transcended though is psychological suffering associated with survival. Yes, and I don't really see the point in transcending survival all together while we are living in physical form. 

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Just now, Wilhelm44 said:

I hear you, what an awakened being has transcended though is psychological suffering associated with survival. Yes, and I don't really see the point in transcending survival all together while we are living in physical form. 

Yes, right on :) I rather enjoy taking care of this body. The psychological side, as you noted, is really what people resent. It's not the actual pain, it's the suffering linked to the perception of pain. Survival is what allows us to have a culture, a language, a nation, an... anything, really! Survival gets a bad rap around here sometimes. 

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