where Leo is wrong?

[Thought Art]

Criticize Away. I want him to be the best teacher as possible.

Also acknowledge your level of development may fuel your criticisms. 

Edited July 7, 2021 by Thought Art

[Wilhelm44]

Listen to as many teachers as you resonate with, it helps to come at this thing from different angles. But when we get obsessed with where a teacher might be wrong, first feel into that part of one's own ego that want's to be right all the time, that's a big one to dissolve. And then you might find that your truth don't clash with anyone else's truth after all. 

[sethman]

Any way leo has a great quality it's our duty to eat the meat and throw away the bone. I don't t think @Leo Gura simply accept the other truth. 

[thisintegrated]

9 hours ago, 7thLetter said:

Lol dude, I'm reading this and its like you're just making this shit out of nowhere, just like how you did with Elon Musk.

I don't see the objectivity in your opinions. This seems more like an over-exaggeration of Leo's character rather than an objective opinion.

m8, you didn't even address a single point of mine.  If you actually disagreed with something, you wouldn't have resorted to a blanket statement like "you're just making shit up".

And a number of people in the thread already share my views.

[Leo Gura]

13 hours ago, 7thLetter said:

So it seems to me that Leo basically holds this attitude of, "If my Dad failed with it then it doesn't work." Or these are just "money traps" designed to get your money. I doubt Leo has personal experience with trading, but he watched his Dad do it so now he holds strong opinions about it,

Watch those sneaky interpretations

[thisintegrated]

Shit, he's here!  Quick, everyone, hide!

[Average Investor]

15 hours ago, 7thLetter said:

I don't see Leo bad-mouthing anyone talking about Amazon FBA or drop shipping, huh, weird.

I think the big split there is the value creation difference. Even in drop shipping you are still creating value for someone. When it comes to investing I have heard numbers in like the 90% area for people who cannot out perform the market. Not only that it creates no value or service at all for other people if they are just trading. From what he mentioned with the stock market it is kind of a theft. If you took a bunch of profit off people and the price tanks on something, you basically just took their money. Similar to something like playing poker isn't really creating value either, besides maybe some entertainment.

I actually resell stuff myself and you would be surprised how often people are very thankful of the services that I provide. I had a guy today thrilled about rare collectible book I sold, which I will ship with a printed out texted for the recipients birthday. I have never once had someone thank me for selling some investments at the top. Even with the book the guy who sold me it knew I was going to sell it on ebay and was happy with what I paid as he didn't want to mess around with selling stuff online. That might not always be the case, but there is still much more consciousness and positive impact than most regular jobs. 

My guess is he would still not promote or encourage any sort of reselling either because of the fact that it isn't a powerful life purpose. Although, I have seen some instances where people have made a lot of positive impact in their communities with it. It's also still filled with the survival aspects of "how can I get this cheaply off of you and make some money." It isn't much of a creative domain either. There is leeching off of things like premade products and structures. Jeff Bezos for example created the pathway for all of the Amazon sellers, so it would be leeching off of that structure in a sense instead of making your own. Not to be confused with extrapolating with that platform either though. Still it is a legitimate way of making money where you can have some conscious control over how you operate your business. 

Edited July 7, 2021 by Average Investor

[7thLetter]

9 hours ago, thisintegrated said:

m8, you didn't even address a single point of mine.  If you actually disagreed with something, you wouldn't have resorted to a blanket statement like "you're just making shit up".

No, that's what you believe should happen. It doesn't have to be that way, I could just leave it at that and go on my way.

And I actually quoted your whole entire post so that means I disagree with everything you said.

But you asked so why not.

9 hours ago, thisintegrated said:

And a number of people in the thread already share my views.

You mean the 1 guy and the other 0.1 from RendHeaven? Good job you got a whopping 1.1 people agreeing with you.

On 7/6/2021 at 2:27 AM, thisintegrated said:

Well, he can often seem very Orange/Yellow for someone claiming to be Turquoise.

Perhaps you're projecting your own identity onto him? (uh oh, I shouldn't have said this, here comes the bragging about your belief of what stage you think you're at on the spiral)

On 7/6/2021 at 2:27 AM, thisintegrated said:

It's like he's trying to make this into a cult about him and his ideas.  Anyone who disagrees with him is culled, and he'll brush off any criticisms as other people's ignorance.

Video link with timestamp or forum link to support this?

On 7/6/2021 at 2:27 AM, thisintegrated said:

He literally calls people stupid in his videos

Video link?

I've been listening to Leo since 2014 and watched the majority of his videos, I haven't exactly heard him call anyone stupid from what I remember, but I have heard him use the word "stupidity." For example he would say something like, "Do you see the stupidity here?" And that's with the context of people misinterpreting what he says in his videos, like what you're doing here.

From what I know he doesn't call anyone stupid for having a different belief system than him. I'd love to see you share a video link where he says that.

On 7/6/2021 at 2:27 AM, thisintegrated said:

but he won't tolerate the same kind of provocative ideas from others.

He's clearly not a closed-minded individual. Have you listened to his videos in full? Or did you come from the Actualized.orgs clips channel?

On 7/6/2021 at 2:27 AM, thisintegrated said:

He's also way too serious!  If there's one problem with his videos and approach to everything, it's this.  And I don't think I need to explain what I mean..

I can sort of agree here but that doesn't mean anything, that's just who he is and that's his own personal approach. If you don't like it then stop watching his videos, simple. You want him to change who he is just to fit your little needs? You want him to be all happy and cute and dancing with a colorful background?

What I can say about this is that he has a blunt personality, that's probably just who he is. That will resonate with some, but not all. It definitely resonates with me, I have a blunt personality myself. Plus his other couple thousand viewers resonate with it as well, but out of nowhere "thisintegrated" joins the Actualized.org forum on May 8th with his 64 posts and complains about Leo's personality.

You don't seem like you're in Tier 2 (like you claim) if you're going to criticize someone's personality.

I think his serious/blunt personality is absolutely appropriate for his channel and what he teaches.

If you don't like it then why watch? Why don't you make your own Youtube channel and show us how its done?

On 7/6/2021 at 2:27 AM, thisintegrated said:

He believes that to get past Orange, one must become rich, successful, etc. as it fits his understanding of how SD works.

Video link with timestamp

On 7/6/2021 at 2:27 AM, thisintegrated said:

How would he answer this if anyone ever asked?  He'd call you ignorant and/or say that monks are forever stuck at Blue.  (Or at least that's what I've come to expect from him)

The "(Or at least that's what I've come to expect from him)" proves a huge point here. You've constructed your own exaggerated idea of Leo in your own mind and turned him into some serious, shallow cult leader who is "Orange."

You did the same thing with Elon Musk, you turned Elon into a God probably because you love him so much

23 hours ago, thisintegrated said:

He did say "I'm now solidly in stage Turquoise", or something to that effect in a video.  And he's mentioned being Turquoise more than a few times in other videos.

You know the drill, video link with timestamp please.

[thisintegrated]

20 minutes ago, 7thLetter said:

You did the same thing with Elon Musk, you turned Elon into a God probably because you love him so much

I don't actually like Elon, not particularly.  Believe it or not, it is possible to hold multiple seemingly-contradictory views on something simultaneously, but I won't bother explaining.

You seem to have constructed some exaggerated idea of me in your mind, and turned me into some Elon-loving Orange/Green (or whatever it is you've decided).

You can find all the evidence for my points by watching his SD playlist and/or the "awakening live, with Leo!" (or whatever they're called) videos.  I'm not gonna look for the exact video and moment he says specific quotes for you.. (you realise each video's like 2h long?)

You also seem to be forgetting the point of this thread.  Nothing I say is about my view of Leo as a person.  Though I don't expect you to understand/believe.

 

And lastly, no, I don't have "64 posts".  I have probably around a thousand.  This ain't my first account.  As I said, he aims to shuts down anyone with different ideas.  I don't agree with this sort of thinking, but I don't judge.

Edited July 8, 2021 by thisintegrated

[7thLetter]

@Average Investor

Good points.

9 hours ago, Average Investor said:

From what he mentioned with the stock market it is kind of a theft. If you took a bunch of profit off people and the price tanks on something, you basically just took their money. Similar to something like playing poker isn't really creating value either, besides maybe some entertainment.

Yes from what I know, he seems to have this idea that you're taking money directly from another individual. But I actually see it as taking money from a pool of money that other investors have contributed to. So that would include other retail investors, institutions, etc.

Similar to Casino games, you're taking money from the Casino if you win, or essentially you're just taking money from the pool of money that other players have lost.

Although, I would say it is more of a "theft" if its a low-cap stock or cryptocurrency that promises huge upside potential. For example if one investor hold most of the supply of a specific stock/crypto, then 10-20 other investors buy in then the one who holds the most dumps his stock. That would be an example of a pump & dump, but that's completely different from what we're talking about.

[7thLetter]

1 minute ago, thisintegrated said:

You seem to have constructed some exaggerated idea of me in your mind, and turned me into some Elon-loving Orange/Green (or whatever it is you've decided).

Hmm maybe, but what's the point of telling me that? You've deflected everything I said and switched the focus onto me. This conversation isn't about me, its about what you said.

3 minutes ago, thisintegrated said:

I'm not gonna look for the exact video and moment he says specific quotes for you.. (you realise each video's like 2h long?)

Exactly. That's fine though, if you don't want to look for it then your points are invalid unless you show proof.

[thisintegrated]

1 minute ago, 7thLetter said:

Hmm maybe, but what's the point of telling me that?

Here I was starting to think maybe you're a thinking man after all for a moment.  Don't see too many tier 1s using the "H" or the "M" word. 

1 minute ago, 7thLetter said:

Exactly. That's fine though, if you don't want to look for it then your points are invalid unless you show proof.

..but then you turn around and go back to your old ways, not even bothering to use the Ti function anymore.

What a shame.

[7thLetter]

5 minutes ago, thisintegrated said:

Here I was starting to think maybe you're a thinking man after all for a moment.  Don't see too many tier 1s using the "H" or the "M" word. 

..but then you turn around and go back to your old ways, not even bothering to use the Ti function anymore.

What a shame.

Classic ego defense mechanism used to cope with me proving you wrong.

https://www.restorationstherapy.com/deflection-a-defensive-tactic/#:~:text=Deflection is attempting to draw,action that a sibling did.

[thisintegrated]

3 minutes ago, 7thLetter said:

Classic ego defense mechanism used to cope with me proving you wrong.

https://www.restorationstherapy.com/deflection-a-defensive-tactic/#:~:text=Deflection is attempting to draw,action that a sibling did.

m8, I could easily spend 10 minutes and find the evidence for you.  I just don't care about proving myself right!  And my getting banned for opposing ideas is evidence enough, imho.

The fact you repeatedly fail to recognise my attempts at lowering the seriousness of debates just further proves my points.

[7thLetter]

1 minute ago, thisintegrated said:

m8, I could easily spend 10 minutes and find the evidence for you.  I just don't care about proving myself right!  And my getting banned for opposing ideas is evidence enough, imho.

Don't know what you got banned for, I don't even know who your other account is.

1 minute ago, thisintegrated said:

The fact you repeatedly fail to recognise my attempts at lowering the seriousness of debates just further proves my points.

What are you talking about?

You're engaging in psychological abuse here, enough with that shit or we'll try to get this account banned too. No wonder you were banned.

[RendHeaven]

55 minutes ago, 7thLetter said:

Why don't you make your own Youtube channel and show us how its done?

That's literally my LP lol. "Leo but less serious"

[Average Investor]

@7thLetter One thing I notice is that it is very easy to self deceive, when it comes to survival. Even in the reselling business I have to be ruthless with some things and I notice myself perpetuating a story that favors me. It's very difficult to sperate the two. Where in one customers or sellers eyes maybe they see me as a thief or the bad guy. In mine I did the right thing or the best I could. Of course I try to apply more consciousness as I go. My income also isn't at a point where I can let someone just take $500. Or let someone know they're selling something for 100th of it's value. 

I would recommend stepping back and consider meta wise where you are with stocks. Not saying you do that with the stocks, but I know it was easy for myself to get really wrapped up in them. I also use to be a guy who would pump up crypto stuff on youtube maybe 3-4 years ago now lol. I've surely developed a lot since then. I have had other businesses that were just wrong, but still convinced myself that I was doing the right thing. I agree though that the crypto stuff is incredibly low conscious stuff. There is some trickles of great innovation I see coming from it at least. I have invested there, but I don't spend my time listening to all the BS around it anymore. 

With investing, I think funding businesses is very important. A lot of that money that gets raised actually helps a lot of companies and a good amount of them are doing a lot of good. Even if just at a minimum creating some jobs. It's set up in a way though where it is hard to even make the most money if you fund the most conscious investments. Then if trading is sprinkled on you see stuff like the GME stock situation and AMC, which takes more and more away from the good it could do. No doubt some people made out big on some of that stuff, but they scooped up all of the money from a lot of people who simply didn't have much of an idea what they were doing. 

Also, if you have not read Leo's top book on the booklist for money, I highly recommend it. 

[7thLetter]

@Average Investor I get it, we're here to expand our consciousness and should be looking towards aligning our work with higher consciousness.

But that's not entirely a concern for me at this moment. Perhaps it is for you and if that's what you feel you need to do for yourself with what you're doing with reselling then go for it. But I have different needs than you and I'll consider your recommendation when I know I need to. I'm going at my own pace.

I trade because I enjoy it, and that's the only thing that matters.

I'm 25, 26 in a couple months. If I don't continue working on what I'm doing now then I'll probably have to stay stuck in a restaurant job working for an hourly wage.

Edit:

And with the GME/AMC situation, the whole point of that was to take money from the hedge funds. Retail traders definitely still lost money though and contributed to the pool but that's not what its about. Plus I don't even think it's over yet exactly.

Edited July 8, 2021 by 7thLetter

[Average Investor]

@7thLetter 

We are about the same age and I feel where you at with the situation. I don't personally disapprove of it. I think that using it as a building block to help escape wage slavery can be useful. I don't trade, but I invest for the same kinds of reasons. 

15 minutes ago, 7thLetter said:

Perhaps it is for you and if that's what you feel you need to do for yourself with what you're doing with reselling then go for it.

Even for me in my situation, it's not the end stop for me. It's a building block for sure. I have had second thoughts a lot about it. I am just at a point where I need it to generate enough money to survive, then help me pursue other creative adventures. Being able to enjoy the work I do is crucial too.

17 minutes ago, 7thLetter said:

I trade because I enjoy it, and that's the only thing that matters.

Don't let what anyone says limit you on what you decide to do. I for one have not got it all figured out, but have some experience with it.  I think Leo has some solid advice for it, but you have to start with where you are at and what you want. 

I enjoyed looking at stocks and such for quite awhile. I have read a good variety of books on the topic too. I feel much better now only checking on it 4x per year. It caused me a lot of unneeded anxiety. However, if I was to look for new investments I can put in some work. I've also never been able to rely on it for my full income either aside from maybe a few months and I wasn't trading. 

26 minutes ago, 7thLetter said:

And with the GME/AMC situation, the whole point of that was to take money from the hedge funds. Retail traders definitely still lost money though and contributed to the pool but that's not what its about. Plus I don't even think it's over yet exactly.

Even with that though it is stealing from someone. I am sure there is a lot of people though who bought that at the top price and lost money. Regardless of who they might be. A lot of the people involved in that are talking about it like it is a good thing they are doing. Like it's a robinhood type of situation. The situation is so normalized in our society. I think it is a good example that highlights the issue with those activities. I almost put $50 into GME at $5-$6. You can be sure I would have cashed out my profits had that been the case.

 

[Anahata]

On 7/5/2021 at 0:04 AM, sethman said:

where Leo is wrong about Sprituality, consciousness, science, Religion, culture, peoples, etc. 

What is his biggest loophole? 

Leo is Your awareness playing with itself. When you realize it you will be experiencing direct interaction with Yourself. Like you always do . But awakening is coming home to yourself as you realize others are you.

Edited July 8, 2021 by Anahata