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3 minutes ago, Rajneeshpuram said:

Do you know the story of the marine who burned his face and looked like a monster, and then he married with his lifelong girlfriend, but she couldnt handle living with him and they divorced quickly?

Personality is not determining when you dont like what you see. When I was young I didnt talked or look to any girl, but because I was goodlooking they approached me and I didnt even wanted.

 

Tell that to that guy :

 

This dude has literally no legs or arms.

Stop looking for excuses guys xD

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15 minutes ago, Peter Miklis said:

@Valach

Noone attractive, who has options in real life, takes Tinder seriously. This doesn't apply just to women, but guys as well.

That is true. I dont take it seriously too since I have options in the real world. However i think an attractive guy with options is more rare then a girl.

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1 hour ago, Mykarma Isugly said:

Hello people. 

I ''identify'' as an incel. Not exactly an incel but how else would I call myself when I feel incels are people like me....

I am bad at English so hopefully this will be something that someone that talks English can read it one way or another.

I registered here as a female although I am male, cause this is how much I don't like being a male. I would like to explain a little more about some issues like this one I just mentioned but it will be too much explanation that isn't relative to this subject so unfortunately I will have to reply to this discussions without further a do .

 

There are big reasons people can't understand incels and one of them is because the ruthless dominant people that control this earth have set a society in which these subjects can't be discussed without the activation of triggerings that contain defence mechanisms of people that are brainwashed (all people me included) and as a result everyone is denying this information even when it is given to them . It's not the incel subject per say that make these things difficult to talk , it's their twin subjects that are hidden there. If we discuss this subject there will be politics involved, human rights, misogyny (or I should better say misandry since I don't believe misogyny exist in vast majority , so misandry most people deny and this is where things really get tough so no incel/mgtow/ ''manosphere'' will ever talk about cause they know other people think they know better than them what's happening). 

Let me tell you something. Incels are unnatractive. That's why they are incels. I am unnatractive. When you say you just have to try hard and you can get models I know it's true. But who told you that I or any incel or any person that wants something in life is a person that is able to work hard? A ''chad'' can get a model trying one thousand times less than me to get a model. No trying at all to get most women. Can you blame a chad for not trying hard? Does the chad complain about not geting women? No.  I think the position most of you have is that if something can happen with hard work then no one should complain. 2 things on that. 1st) No one complains cause he(or she if she is a femcel) wants you to get him a girl, he complains cause he is in pain and it's only normal to express it. 2nd) Many people can become billionaries if they try hard enough, you may not believe it but if you devote your life every single one of us can do that (I am not completely sure about this but the odds will become titanic). But does this mean that you won't complain if you can feed your belly cause of the unfairness of the world that made you poor? Does this mean that you will be able to become not a billionarie but even a millionarie?  No, almost no one will become a millionarie let alone billionarie. It's only  normal. It will be very ignorant to tell to a very poor person that he can do it. Yes he probably can do it , but it will sacrifise a billion things to do that. It's only normal not to want to sacrifise. 

And this is where normies get it wrong or pretend to get it wrong for sadistic reasons. Why you (the normies) blame incels or anyone that doesn't want to sacrifise so many things to get what he wants? This is not entitlement or selfishness beyong normal levels. This is completely logical. Incels like the rest of the world , like the rest of the non incels, don't want to live this stressful life just to get laid. If you say then that's bad on their part then do this mental exercise. What if tomorrow they tell you that in order for you to get in a relationship you have to become an olympic champion in mma (ufc). 90 plus per cent of you normal attractive people can actually do that(become top) , even if you are little older than a teen. But should you do that? Should you sacrifise the next 10 years of everyday heroic pain just to get laid or you will just feel bad that you don't want to do it and then complain about it? Let me tell you what's going to happen. 99,5% of you will choose to complain over becoming a champion. Are you wrong for doing that? No, it actually is the right choice (both are the right choice). If you think that the right choice is to become a champion (red and orange in spiral dynamics but I think red  alonedescribe it better than both red and orange) then I genuiley ask you, why you don't become a champion or millionarie or whatever you can think of, anyway... ? Believe me your life will be better , you may help the world if you have green or turquiose(maybe) or even blue tendencies. But for some reason you feel that it's not smart to choose that option. No it's not that you can't, spending thousands of hours in and out of gym can make you an mma champ , or a great artist or whatever. You just don't want this sacrifise and it's understantable and reasonable.

Now you get what it's like to be an incel. Yes you can do it but it needs sacrifices that only a cursed person would have to make. That's if you want a model if you don't want of course it's not that bad. Personally I don't want any more of society's bs so I am really lazy that's why I can't find even an unnatractive girl. But Honestly if I was more lazy and 1,9 metres many women would be attracted to me. 

You guys assume that being an incel is not so big deal as incels make it. But you just assume things while an incel live those things. As incels we know what's happening not cause we are smarter but because we live it. We may know something more than you think. But most normies don't want to even learn about us (which is ok) so they pretend they know what they talk about. 

As I said before misandry is a big part of this and till you believe tha misandry exists you may also not understand why incels have this life. If you are open to a new world that describes misandry and incel stuff then I can explain. If not just pretend that you know everything and incels are just a stage red fools that complain cause they can't take responsibility and other Jordan Peterson or just mainstream society stuff. 

I tried to become mma champion in the past with a height of 1,67 metres (heightcel which mean incel cause of height) , I had such a nice body which made women a little anxious cause they wanted to impress me, and combine this with the confidence it gave me that I knew I could thrive in a physical battle with 990 out of 1000 people, that made even women that looked like models try to make me approach them or even flirt with me cause I was stage red and blue guy that believed men and women were equal so I didn't want to approach them I waited for them. I know with that kind of body I had that I could ''get'' models. So I know it can happen, even incels actually not even normies believe that but I have lived it. So yeah I know it can happen, but just being a good martial artist that can beat others shows how animalistic things are and how women want someone that can make them and their children survive/prosper. That's what ''personality'' is. So ''deep'' lol. 

Yeah I don't want to be a male any more (nor I want to change my body with hormones either) 

incels are just cursed, you people just don't want to accepty it. Semi incels which hopefuly I belong to, have more chance than other incels. 

What depressive stuff 

Why only models ?

Why not just decent just above average women ?

You really think you can't attrat those women if you work on yourself (not physically) ?


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2 hours ago, Mykarma Isugly said:

I tried to become mma champion in the past with a height of 1,67 metres (heightcel which mean incel cause of height) , I had such a nice body which made women a little anxious cause they wanted to impress me

So you are an incel and still got attention from women? I am very confused about this,please explain it to me.

2 hours ago, Mykarma Isugly said:

So yeah I know it can happen, but just being a good martial artist that can beat others shows how animalistic things are and how women want someone that can make them and their children survive/prosper. That's what ''personality'' is. So ''deep'' lol. 

Yes it is very shallow. Things like confidence, being "stimulating" (jeez that is such bullshit if you think about it but it does work) and all that stuff is very shallow. You are basically asking for a sociopath that is strong. Guys are shallow as fuck too, at least they admit being shallow. "Confidence and being stimulating is not really personality", it is just shallow shit being called personality. Personality is integrity, kindness, honesty, deep understanding and hard work. However these things do not get girls attracted. So end of story, both sexes are shallow and selfish as fuck.

2 hours ago, Mykarma Isugly said:

incels are just cursed

If your defition of cursed is an incel then what can you say for the 1 billion people that still struggle to get food, clean water and a roof over their head each day. Inceldom is not fun and it sucks balls but it is far from a curse. Go watch some slavery movies and you will see what a curse is.

 

Overall you have good points but you blow them out of proportion. 

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Actually i dont like when somebody call himself an incel. I am 189 with atletic body and struggle a lot with women. 

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@Mykarma Isugly Dude i do not get shit from what you are saying. You claim to have been attractive when fit and now lost a bit of your looks and things got harder for you. Well LOL what do you expect? Same thing for girls.

What do you want?

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17 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

@HardkillI mean if your social skills suck of course you will not get hot girls, that is a given. Thing is the amount of socializing most average or below average looking guys need to do, in order to become good at getting girls is more than most are willing to put effort. It is a question of paying a high price for something, most are not. Inceldom is a fixable problem but it requires lot of work. 

Plus this whole idea of "the girls i wanted" is a high quality problem. The idea that you struggle to get the girls you wanted is already a big step up from most incels which cannot get anything.

TRUST ME, not getting anything is 10 times worse than not getting "the girl you want".

Sex with an average looking meh personality girl is better than no sex at all.

 

One could argue that having sex with an average looking meh personality girl is better than no sex at all. I am not gonna lie. Those girls who really liked me give me some validation. However, at the same time, my looks and the attention, compliments, and validation that I did receive from people including girls did make me so delusional to the point where I thought that most girls were sexually attracted to me when the harsh reality is that most of them aren't. I learned this the really hard way after getting rejected by hundreds of girls in a row. I got laid from a few girls I met from online dating after being rejected from thousands upon thousands of girls on sites such as POF, OKCupid, Match.com and apps such as Bumble and Tinder. I got only ONE lay from IRL approach after cold and warm approaching over 500 girls in various venues such as bars, clubs, meetups, parties, malls, stores, libraries, school campuses, alleys in between restaurants/bars/shops, streets at nighttime and daytime, gyms over the span of about 3 years.

13 hours ago, Peter Miklis said:

Good, now multiply that work by 10, and you'll realize how hard an unatractive guy has it.

Also, the older you get, the harder it is to socialize, so you can only blame yourself that you haven't used the opportunities to get with girls earlier in your life, while having several girls complimenting you.

I'm not saying that if you're good looking, you can just sit on your ass and girls will come to you. It's just that you'll have to work a little less.

You don't get it. If you take a look at incel forums (and overlook their victim mentality for a second), you'd realize how much harder it's going to be for them than for you. Some of them not only haven't received any compliments, but were brutally bullied for their looks. That's soulcrushing.

I used to be brutally bullied during my elementary, middle, and high school years (excluding my  11th and 12th grade years) for being the most annoying troll ever on the planet and because I was born with some degree of Asperger's syndrome. I had so much trouble making friends, keeping friends, and everyone including MANY girls would think that I was one of the weirdest kids to ever exist. I also would exist throw major fits and tantrums almost every time I'd lose a game or lose a school election that I ran in. I used to pick my nose in front of others often when I was a kid. My voice sounded weird because of my speech and language delay I used to have. I'd ask way too many annoying questions more than most kids my age did. I would constantly make annoying noises for my own self-amusement, but annoyed the hell out of other students and teachers in my classes. I would mock others for my own self-amusement, but would pissed other people off. I made a lot dumb jokes that nobody thought was funny at all. My parents had a very difficult time handling me up until I was about 16-17 years old. I got kicked out of various extracurricular clubs for being too difficult with others.  was a complete embarrassment and social loser. Most of peers thought I was kind of freak and some of them would feel sorry for me. 

Also, during my mid to late twenties I got kicked out of various places. I got booted out of a couple of bars and a mall for making girls feel uncomfortable even when I didn't really mean to. I got my gym membership from an LA fitness gym I used to belong to for making certain girls I approached feel uncomfortable even when I didn't mean to. I also, got terminated from a grad school program years ago for sexual harassment. 

There have been many moments in my life were I've felt the urge to get revenge on girls like those Incel murderers. However, to be clear I have no serious intention of ever murdering anyone. However, looking back, there were definitely moments in my life where I might've turned into one of those monsters like Elliot Rodger or George Sodini.

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13 hours ago, Peter Miklis said:

Of course, like I already mentioned, he had zero game? And really, looks DID help him more than he's willing to admit. Literaly made his entire career of being a shirtless douchebag possible.

He said in the vid that when he first got muscular and fit, but still wasn't socially savvy and interesting it actually gave off a creepy vibe toward girls because his looks were not congruent with how he conveyed his personality. Personally, I am not so sure that his great body necessarily made it 100% worse for him in terms of getting girls. His looks alone did probably get his get his foot automatically in the door with girls and he may have gotten a few freebie dates and lays from just his looks. However, he has implied that the girls he first got with sucked. That's when he realized like myself that he had to learn game by learning and practice how to come off masculine/dominant, confident, charismatic, socially calibrated, etc. in order to really get a lot of girls, including many of the kind of girls you want to date and have sex with.

If good looking men could just get any girl they want with just their looks, then that would mean that there would as many women as there are men who watch porn, including hardcore straight porn. Yet, that's not the case because again women aren't as visually stimulated by looks as men are due to gender differences in brain structure and formation.

Also, let's forget that because of the physical difference generally between that of men and women and given how men are generally more sexually aggressive than women are with new potential partners, generally women unlike men need to first need to feel comfortable enough that the guy they are considering dating or sleeping with isn't some creepy threatening man. Why do you think James Franco, who we all know has the looks, money, and status of a top celebrity for years has been facing several sexual allegations? How about Bill Clinton, who despite being able to get any kind of woman he wants, also had several women publicly accused him of sexual misconduct, including rape, harassment, and sexual assault? Ben Affleck who like Franco has had the looks, money, and status of a top celebrity was a while ago accused of inappropriately groping a chick's boob on a show decades ago.

Btw, in case you haven't seen this show at all before, check out this clip of a scene from The Boys where Chace Crawford, who in real life is what you would call a "Chad," played a straight up parody of Aquaman who sexually assaulted this superhero chick: 

Before she got assaulted she admitted to having a crush on the him. So, he really had a chance to get with her the right way, but he fucked it up by being really rapey.

 

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@Mykarma Isugly hahahahahhaahhahahaahha you crack me up. Welcome to the big reveal that "love" is just survival maximization for most people. This is more of an existential problem than an incel/dating problem. The "love" you have for basically most people is very conditional. Yes it seem depressing at first but you ll get used it to.

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On 5/29/2021 at 3:56 PM, Peter Miklis said:

@mivafofa "Me see you talk about good looking men having advantage, me think you loser! Ooga booga!"

On 6/1/2021 at 8:08 AM, Peter Miklis said:

@dflores321 Why are you going to extremes? It's always "b..bb..but if you're good looking but YOU ABSOLUTELY SUCK ASS AND YOU'RE AN ABSOLUTE WIMP then you won't attract any women"

On 6/1/2021 at 10:08 AM, Peter Miklis said:

@Shin "Wait a second, let me find more anecdotal evidence! Look guys, this guy had his nose cut in half, and his lower jaw is missing, and yet his wife is still with him! Therefore, that proves that looks aren't even a factor!"

 

@Peter Miklis You gotta watch your habit of putting unsolicited words into people's mouth.  It's childish projection.  You keep using this tool to indirectly paves the way for ideological submission to yours, while attempting to ridiculize inputs that differs from yours.   And most of the time, because you don't even understand what others are trying to say. Words of advice you won't take of course.

Honestly you gotta see how silly it is that you're so defensive over a limited ideology that doesn't even serve you. If I had trouble getting girls, I'd sit down and start listening to others, instead of forcing my narrative that is working against me.

 

On 6/1/2021 at 9:35 AM, Valach said:

I have not so good looking friends who are great with woman and good looking friends who are basically incels. I don't see any correlation between looks and sucess with girls. Of course all of you guys don't really care about this. All you want is just an excuse why you can't take action and why you don't have a sucess you want.

that sums it up well

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14 minutes ago, mivafofa said:

 

@Peter Miklis You gotta watch your habit of putting unsolicited words into people's mouth.  It's childish projection.  You keep using this tool to indirectly paves the way for ideological submission to yours, while attempting to ridiculize inputs that differs from yours.   And most of the time, because you don't even understand what others are trying to say. Words of advice you won't take of course.

Honestly you gotta see how silly it is that you're so defensive over a limited ideology that doesn't even serve you. If I had trouble getting girls, I'd sit down and start listening to others, instead of forcing my narrative that is working against me.

 

that sums it up well

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On 29/05/2021 at 1:24 AM, Roy said:

You answered it - Computers, cellphones, convenience of technology. There have always been lonely men (and women), but modern technology just exacerbates it and pushes even more people into such a state. It allows people to retreat and be completely absent from the necessarily socialization needed for them to create relationships and eventually, have sex.

Not to mention because of the nature of internet culture there is a group and niche for every kind of person, so they can create an elaborate identity out of things and bury themselves deep inside it and not want help, because there are a bunch of other people willing to confirm all their biases.

This is a relatively new phenomenon I'd say. My intuition says these kinds of people wouldn't be allowed to fall so far in this aspect of life in other cultures that don't have this technology, because there is a more of a sense of community to pick up the slack.

Spot on man. 

When it comes to this topic of niches and this elaborate identity thing. I think there's pros and cons. On the positive hand, you get to feel the support and encouragement of other likeminded people. Just take this forum for example. 

On 29/05/2021 at 1:24 AM, Roy said:

Western culture is fucking brutally independent. You are on your own by default in a lot of ways.

While I greatly value the west with individualism, and this is my temperemant, there are some things I notice {when I compare Western culture to some elements of Pakistani culture for example}

In a highly individualistic society, if you're dysfunctional in one aspect or struggle to function on your own fully, and need support, you're kinda fucked. There's no one to help you.

Everyone makes the implicit agreement that they only clean up their own shit. Nobody gets to bother you or pester you with favours, but in return you don't get help when you're struggling either. 

1) It's unnatural to be disconnected like this perhaps, it's a stingy/egoic/apathetic mindset at extreme. 

2) We all have different strengths and blindspots. By interacting with each other, you get help on how to solve a problem in your life you're struggling to do. And so it is then that you go on to help someone else with something they're struggling with. An "everyone wins" kinda mindset. 

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Hark ye yet again — the little lower layer. All visible objects, man, are but as pasteboard masks. But in each event — in the living act, the undoubted deed — there, some unknown but still reasoning thing puts forth the mouldings of its features from behind the unreasoning mask. If man will strike, strike through the mask! How can the prisoner reach outside except by thrusting through the wall? To me, the white whale is that wall, shoved near to me. Sometimes I think there's naught beyond. But 'tis enough

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4 minutes ago, Peter Miklis said:

@mivafofa I'm expressive about it, because I care about the truth. 

Nope. What you care about is whatever scenario that would condone your victim mental mindset, at the price of the truth. 

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1 minute ago, Peter Miklis said:

You literaly know nothing about me, so how do you know I have victim mentality? 

It's hard to miss.  It's present in all of your commentaries. Everyone been trying to point it out to you from multiple angles with all good intention but in vain. You're too easily offended.

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Guys stop with this bullshit, you are not a victim if you acknowledge that looks matter.

If a fat ugly girl cannot attract high value rich man that is because she has victim mindset right? 

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1 hour ago, Peter Miklis said:

@kras No dude, that's vIcTiM mInDsEt. Even if it's your own direct experience, you should just pretend that looks don't matter at all.

I feel like this type of thinking is literaly offensive to women. You can't look 1/10 and expect that it's gonna take the same effort it takes for 10/10 to get laid. If I told this to some of the girls I used to know, they'd be offended. And rightly so.

That is because you think you are 1/10, if you think that you are 10/10, you really are!

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When I was younger and went out all the time, I knew girls who wanted to hook up with the good looking guys, just because of how they looked. But people usually are attracted to people on their level looks wise, and as people get older they care less about materialistic appearances and go more from feeling.  
I remember there was a popular guy in school who everyone used to fancy and he was always going out with different girls and a bit of a player.  But he’s now settled with an average looking woman and they have children. 
 


 

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The younger you are the more naturally materialistic you might be especially growing up stage orange, everyone is so self absorbed and care a lot about what other people think of their boyfriend/girlfriend, but usually people grow out of this. 


 

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5 hours ago, kras said:

Guys stop with this bullshit, you are not a victim if you acknowledge that looks matter.

If a fat ugly girl cannot attract high value rich man that is because she has victim mindset right? 

That's because look is the main attraction point for a guy.

It isn't for a woman, at best a young and foolish woman use the look of the guy to infer that he is a strong man, like when they are 13, but quickly they learn it has nothing to do with it, it just means the guy spend 10 minutes more in the morning touching his hair lol


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15 minutes ago, Shin said:

It isn't for a woman, at best a young and foolish woman

People mostly choose based on their level of looks. Most good looking girls have good looking boyfriends. You rarely see an ugly guy with a good looking girl.  It happens sometimes. 


 

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