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Leo, have you done no-fap?

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On 17/5/2021 at 10:35 AM, Harlen Kelly said:

@sourcetruth The primary reason you are repressing sexuality is not because of some spiritual reason, is because of your inability to get with the opposite sex, you consequently use nofap as a neurotic overreaction to cope. 

 

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5 hours ago, bliss54 said:

From experience, if your jerking off everyday its going to make you massively energy drained

@bliss54 From your experience, maybe. How do you know this applies to everyone? 

Why would evolution allow for all/most men to be weak and drained from consistent ejaculation? That gene would die out so fucking fast

If you're jerking off everyday to cope with being bad at attracting a mate then sure, I agree with you. Mentally that will drive you insane. However the solution there is not exactly to stop, it's to fix the root cause. Which is being bad at attracting a mate.

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On 16/5/2021 at 10:29 PM, Girzo said:

How did you verify this theory? :P

 

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@Leo Gura Leo i agree with some stuff you say. But dont you think that porn is unnatural? Im not for no fap really but i do think that porn gives us way too much dopamine than that our evolutionary brains werent really meant for thus causing some imbalances in our brain. I feel like porn makes us men a bit weaker. 

Btw are there any books you would recommend around this topic?

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@Leo Gura What do you have to lose by trying nofap and no porn? I bet that if you try it you'll see that it's really beneficial. You don't need to buy into the scientific studies but I and many others have tried it and it certainly does improve life quality. Dude this can seriously help you with your work as well. Try doing the emotionally harder thing.
The is a reason why you do  give a fuck about some aspects in your life like health and business and you could also disregard those "scientific" evidence.

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On 5/20/2021 at 11:03 PM, Rinne said:

@Leo Gura Leo i agree with some stuff you say. But dont you think that porn is unnatural? Im not for no fap really but i do think that porn gives us way too much dopamine than that our evolutionary brains werent really meant for thus causing some imbalances in our brain. I feel like porn makes us men a bit weaker. 

Btw are there any books you would recommend around this topic?

That's a story you are telling yourself. Porn being a ''bad'' thing is a belief, is not a fact. 

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@fopylo The crowd that follows the nofap movement are not particularly conscious people. The vast majority do it as a neurotic overreaction for their lack of options with the opposite sex. 

Again, sexual repression is not some sophisticated technique, it's in fact very neurotic. 

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@dflores321 @Harlen Kelly No so here's the thing, you guys are just assuming things. Yeah, many people start doing nofap as a neurotic behavior, but with time it becomes less neurotic, in the sense that you won't feel the need to repress it all the time for the benefits, but rather you'd choose  to not fap because it just feels so good not to waste that energy. Every day I feel energetic, clear minded, enjoy the little things, view people differently, help me connect with my inner self and my truest desires which were hidden by the sexual thoughts. I really like living like that. Personally I don't believe that liking a tit post and seeing hot women is a no no, but more like watching porn. Yes, because it affects the brain and really slows my growth down.

Yeah alright you can say that it is neurotic because I'm using "restricts" on myself and that the true way is just getting those results from a non neurotic way. But still, you want to accelerate your growth, no?

Do you realize that I can say the same thing on meditation? Then why the fuck do you meditate? You know the benefits, and so you have your routine... And you know that it will shoot your growth so you do it. Honestly try to see what I'm saying and look into how they are not so different. Telling someone to nofap and telling someone meditate come from the idea that it will grow you a lot and so you begin by getting really into them until you love them and then it's just natural and fun 

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@fopylo You meditate because meditation makes you more conscious. 

Sexual repression does not make you more conscious. Which does not mean or imply that you have to fap uncontrollably, it just means that the act of restricting sexual expression does not lead to psychological development. 

In fact, the least developed countries and nations are the most repressed sexually and the most advanced and progressive / liberal nations are the most open sexually. Why do you think that is?

As humans become more developed psychologically they don't become more restrictive with their sexuality, they become more open. 

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@Harlen Kelly Notice how you use "repression". When you started meditation didn't you "repress" your thoughts/feelings/desires/"negative" emotions?

You need some kind of restrict for starting to get going, especially if you're not God conscious or some shit. Dude you could literally say the same thing about eating healthy (probably an even better example) because you "restrict" yourself from shoving junk food into your system. But you might say "but I don't feel like eating junk food. If I feel like it then I won't suppress it". Well then, I don't feel like masturbating. Actually I do have a desire for sex, but sex, not simply masturbation.

Anyways, if it is neurotic then why should I repress the neurosis itself? It will just go spiral of neurosis

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@dflores321 Are you still an adolescent? You should not be ''retaining'' semen at that age, that can be potentially damaging. 

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@fopylo Answer this question, why do nations become more sexually opened as they become more advanced and developed? Why do you think that happens?

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@dflores321

4 minutes ago, dflores321 said:

If I am not getting my dating life together and am directing my sexual energy to pornhub, then how will I start actually getting laid and having success in dating?

Exactly! Being God conscious is an ideal that will take years to reach, but for the meantime the least I can do is at least this - save and redirect my sexual energy towards Being, relationships, workout and more. Day 205 baby ?

9 minutes ago, dflores321 said:

It's all about raising the quality of your sexual energy, go from pmo, to sex with women, to more intimate deeper sex with a loved one, to fucking yourself forever hehe ?. 

Alright mate, so this is the plan: Raising your sexual energy from no fap - directing this energy and using it towards relationships which will eventually lead to sex (it also helps with reducing anxiety and building confidence) - then direct it to more deeper sex which is almost spiritual - and then I'm sort of "free" and not so affected by the outcome of jerking off by myself. Is this right?

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2 minutes ago, fopylo said:

@dflores321

Exactly! Being God conscious is an ideal that will take years to reach, but for the meantime the least I can do is at least this - save and redirect my sexual energy towards Being, relationships, workout and more. Day 205 baby ?

Nofap will not lead to psychological development. You will not become more conscious by virtue of not fapping. By the way, guys who are successful with women, are usually very comfortable with their sexuality, therefore, they don't practice ''no fap''. 

But if you think no fap will fundamentally help your growth, go ahead. 

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@Harlen Kelly

19 minutes ago, Harlen Kelly said:

By the way, guys who are successful with women, are usually very comfortable with their sexuality, therefore, they don't practice ''no fap''. 

Many guys had success with women because of nofap

 

20 minutes ago, Harlen Kelly said:

But if you think no fap will fundamentally help your growth, go ahead. 

Don't talk down like that. It certainly did help my growth, and not everything needs to raise your consciousness to evolve you. It can simply be a stepping stone

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@dflores321

10 minutes ago, dflores321 said:

Transcending sexuality can be done in many ways, one of them IS actually through conscious repression.

What does it mean to transcend  something?

 

10 minutes ago, dflores321 said:

Theres a difference between a guy who feels bad after seeing a gangbang orgy video and just stops touching his sin parts, and someone who meditates, exercises, contemplates, and focuses this sexual desire onto other parts of his life. 

And by the way, I do both but mostly try and redirect the energy. After around day 100 (for me) the shift happens and doesn't change that much, but still sometimes repress lightly, because honestly, I prefer the latter

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@dflores321 So then there's nothing unique about transcending some specific aspect. When you transcend, being feels better and so you transcend everything basically. So it is futile

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   At least in Nofap I don;t constantly feel I have a flu, and dead head. I even feel strange around my throat when a binge occurred.

   However, I still stand by the troubleshooting effect that porn does provide for you. 

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