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BREAKING NEWS: Hamas fires 130 rockets at Israel

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On the chance that anyone here is interested in educating themselves about the formation of the State of Israel from someone who's able to take a highly empathic multi-perspectival approach, I've found the Martyrmade podcast's Fear and Loathing in the New Jerusalem to be an excellent educational resource, as a lot of this historical information just generally isn't known in places like America.

http://www.martyrmade.com/fear-loathing-in-the-new-jerusalem/

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Abstract concepts are largely metaphorical." - George Lakoff

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3 minutes ago, andyjohnsonman said:

Im interested in what is supposed to be done about this then? Are the Palestinians supposed to just lay down their arms like Gandhi? If we live in the relative world where survival is on the line are we supposed to just give it up? Enlightenment, while making you conscious doesn't mean you are a pushover right? It feels like a paradox because on one hand survival is on the line but on the other we just end up in an endless retaliation cycle.

 i dont see any other way, you can clearly see that people here in israel become more extreme right wing every encounter with terror, bibi is prime minster for so long because he talking like someone from the extreme right . you need to see it that after every time that hamas sends bombs people just talking about that we need to bomb all gaza , every attack from the arab make people bitter , even though it is less than 0.1% of the arab population acting like that . 
moreover, every terror attack the israel goverment have another exeuse to make law that are not favorable to the arab, and it breeds more terror and hate . 

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16 minutes ago, andyjohnsonman said:

Are the Palestinians supposed to just lay down their arms like Gandhi?

@andyjohnsonman Maybe the palestinians shouldnt provoke riots in holy places to then blame Isreal police that has to shut things down and then after that throw rockets?  Too then after that push the narrative of ethnic cleansing? If your goal is religious victory as hamas/palistinians and before that arafat , then we got a problem there.

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13 minutes ago, TheSomeBody said:

even though it is less than 0.1% of the arab population acting like that

Arafat was mainstream and he couldnt get the palistinians to agree on the peacedeal, if he didn't promis them that they would later fight back and tack over jeruzalem. Which was his goal from the start. You as a westerner maybe dont understand how deeply they are identified with their religion, its where they live for. 

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People all over the world demonstrating for Palestinian solidarity

 

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لا إله إلا الله، وليو رسول الله

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2 minutes ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

People all over the world demonstrating for Palestinian solidarity

 

pretty stupid, hamas is just acting like a child right now because of this people 

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@Husseinisdoingfine Hamas is successful again with provocations. It is rewarded for its provocations. And the progressives fall for it again.

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@Husseinisdoingfine You should try to do research using other sources as well, You are just looking to confirm your existing believes, Obviously this applies to most people posting here, regardless of the stance expressed.

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Even if Palestinians lay down their weapons, never retaliate or resist, the jewish supremacists colonists will keep increasing pressure to drive them out, they will keep expelling them from their home through court orders, they will keep settling in palestinian areas, they will keep crushing any means of resistance be it military legal or otherwise, they will keep setting rules that makes it impossible for palestinians to become autonomous, if they get a strong grip enough on palestinian population the jews would pass birth control laws on palestinians because they want them gone, they think this land is theirs period. What Palestinians want is the two-state solution but jews will never agree to it. So this will drag out and I think jews are fine with it, they have it under control so far. What Palestinians would need is increased support from surrounding arabic countries, maybe Iran should get the nuclear bomb to be able to say enough is enough.

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36 minutes ago, TheDao said:

@andyjohnsonman Maybe the palestinians shouldnt provoke riots in holy places to then blame Isreal police that has to shut things down and then after that throw rockets?  Too then after that push the narrative of ethnic cleansing? If your goal is religious victory as hamas/palistinians and before that arafat , then we got a problem there.

Im trying to understand it as an outsider and how peace can ever be achieved when defending survival seems part of the human experience. Not side taking. 

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@Husseinisdoingfine

about the film:

At its core, ‘Gaza Fights For Freedom’ is a thorough indictment of the Israeli military for war crimes, and a stunning cinematic portrayal of Palestinians' heroic resistance.

 

Sounds extremely partisan. Hamas its provocations and palestinian provocations get rewarded by the west. And then people are surprised you get more..

 

By the way don't worry I'll get kicked out of here for having the wrong opinions.

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JUST IN - Al-Shorouk Tower building in central Gaza collapsed after it was targeted by a series of Israeli missiles.

 

 

Death toll now rises from 43 to 48 Palestinians

 

 

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لا إله إلا الله، وليو رسول الله

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Kinda crazy US politicians at the very least haven’t gone after Israel to some degree, if not the very least reduce funding. This whole topic is toxic to politicians in the US and none of them want to talk about. Don’t wanna talk about it? Fine.... stop putting it on the payroll then. 

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Updating developments

 

Number of Palestinians confirmed dead has risen to 56, including 14 children.

 
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لا إله إلا الله، وليو رسول الله

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How come they are so rich that they have so many rockets? Who gave them all that money?

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Gaza is crazy, period!

They already shot more than 1200 rockets! This number of rockets could have killed tens of thousands of civilians if Israel would not have Iron Dome.

How can you defend Gaza for such actions?

 

Furthermore palestinians who live in Israel are absolutely ungrateful and act like neanderthals. Without Israel they would live like the people of Sudan or some other third world country!

 

They should be thankful that the jews made this country to a first world country in seventy years!

 

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3 minutes ago, TheDao said:

How come they are so rich that they have so many rockets? Who gave them all that money?

They use the money they get from Qatar for those weapons.

 

From 2014 - 2019 Qatar donated them one billion dollars (preferably for food and education) but apparently Hamas used it mainly for other purposes.

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2 minutes ago, Timur said:

Gaza is crazy period!

They already shot more than 1200 rockets! This number of rockets could have killed ten of thousands of civilians if Israel would not have Iron Dome.

How can you defend Gaza for such actions?

 

Furthermore palestinians who live in Israel are absolutely ungrateful and act like neanderthals . Without Israel they would live like the people of Sudan or some other third world country!

 

They should be thankful that the jews made this country to a first world country in seventy years!

 

as long people are gonna support "palestine" (now is hamas and terrorist actions) you gonna see more rockets and more innocent people dying in gaza. outsiders dont know the dynamics and the meaning that they are creating 

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18 minutes ago, Timur said:

Gaza is crazy, period!

They already shot more than 1200 rockets! This number of rockets could have killed tens of thousands of civilians if Israel would not have Iron Dome.

How can you defend Gaza for such actions?

 

Furthermore palestinians who live in Israel are absolutely ungrateful and act like neanderthals. Without Israel they would live like the people of Sudan or some other third world country!

 

They should be thankful that the jews made this country to a first world country in seventy years!

 

A lot of the Middle East, Syria and Iraq most notably, was rather prosperous and stable before American involvement.

By calling Palestinians 'crazy', you're creating a cognitive disconnect so that you don't have to listen to their side. 'We don't need to listen to Palestinians, they're just crazy terrorists who launch rockets'.

At this point, it's an undeniable fact that Israel is committing an ethnic cleansing of a native group of people. If Palestinians just laid down their arms and surrendered, they would not longer exist. Israel is currently backed by the behemoth that is the U.S. State Department.

Gaza/Hamas is completely justified in this regard. Segregate a native Arab population, turn Gaza into an internment camp, and then whine like a bitch when some rockets are flown across.


لا إله إلا الله، وليو رسول الله

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