Husseinisdoingfine

BREAKING NEWS: Hamas fires 130 rockets at Israel

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7 minutes ago, DocWatts said:

Do most of the Muslims that you happen to know have thier own personal Harem, or are you intentionally looking at Societies from thousands of years ago completely out of context and superimposing that on to people of the modern era?

I knew two Saudi guys in university who grew up in such households.  Although, it's a silly question of you to ask if "most guys have their own personal harem."  Obviously if an affluent guy has 10 wives, then there's 9 guys that wouldn't have their own personal harem.  Simple math.

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@Woke456 Not disputing that polygamy still exists in some places, but that has everything to do with the places where it's still practiced being at a lower level of development (roughly SD-Red to SD-Blue), rather than something unique about Islam.

After all polygamy was something that happened in different societies all over the world. Hell it wasn't that long ago that communities of Mormons tried to leave the US so they could continue to practice polygamy...


"The mind is inherently embodied.
Thought is mostly unconscious.
Abstract concepts are largely metaphorical." - George Lakoff

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2 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Israel’s existence is a Western creation. They got their start when the British carved land up with no Arab consent, and their continued existence is with United States support. It serves the U.S. to have a proxy.

I support the Jewish people’s right to a state (while simultaneously believing that all Nations should be abolished), but cut off all aid and refuse to trade until human rights violations cease.

They just want to live in peace. The land which they from history have right upon, especially when this was internationally agreed upon is not given to them. They just want to survive. But Hamas and before that Arafat and before that others want to take the land. They are not interested in peace. They just fake it, like Arafat did. Israel is the most tolerant and sophisticated country in the whole middle east.

If the percentage islamic culture will get to big in Israel it will be the downfall of their civilization. Just like happened recently in Turkey, which becam islamofascist country. The EU because of naive progressives caused Turkey to detoriate. They wanted to put the army which protected democracy in the hands of Erdogan. Erdogan which was already sentenced in the past for islamist retoric.  The downfull of Turkey is just one examples of many in history.

 

CNN??? Really? So you throw a lot of bombs and get extra media attention for your cause. Special selection of news. He can just move to another place, probably Isreal will pay him then even. He has no problem other then religious obsession. His fight for Islam.

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I see people applying Spiral Dynamics to this conflict in order to make sense of it. Hamas currently is a RED organization with the worst aspects of PURPLE tribalism and BLUE religious fundamentalism and Nationalism. Before you demonize Hamas, the Spiral Dynamics original books makes it very clear that every Vmeme (spiral code) is born from its' LC (Life Conditions). There are eight different LCs' (LC1, LC2, LC3, LC4, LC5, LC6 LC7 LC8). Where someone, an organization, or a civilization rests on the model is a direct result from their Life Conditions, as they are forced to adopt such value systems in order to survive. Who created the poor life conditions which forced Palestinians to adopt purple/RED/blue value systems? Could it possibly be encroaching Israeli occupation, and settlements which have forced so many people out of their homes? 

Here's Don Edward Beck speaking on Palestine:

P.S. Israelis forcing people out of their homes is not distant history, this is still going on and in very recent memories. Now picture this, you're a Palestinian man who has been evicted for the sixth time. Then you discover this 'Hamas' group that wants to secure a homeland for people like you and get revenge on the oppressors. To an oppressed person, that's going to be very appealing. 

Have some compassion.


لا إله إلا الله، وليو رسول الله

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Interesting how a lot of people assume that just because a country is a Democracy that that automatically translates to an enlightened and benign foreign policy. When we know full well that the supposed Democracies are fully capable of commiting horrible atrocities.

The largest colonial Empire in the World was run by a Democracy (Britain), and the United States could give any autocracy a run for its money for the number of Democratic governments that it helped to destroy.

If you want to argue that Israel is a force for good in the region or the world, just pointing out that they're a Democracy isn't a sufficient reason.


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Abstract concepts are largely metaphorical." - George Lakoff

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3 minutes ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Could it possibly be encroaching Israeli occupation, and settlements which have forced so many people out of their homes? 

No lots and lots and lots of money is and was given to the palestinians. They spent it on weapons and propaganda to indoctrinate their youth.

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1 minute ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Who created the poor life conditions which forced Palestinians

Bruh, people have been chopping each others heads off with swords in the desert for thousands of years.  

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4 minutes ago, TheDao said:

No lots and lots and lots of money is and was given to the palestinians. They spent it on weapons and propaganda to indoctrinate their youth.

 

2 minutes ago, Woke456 said:

Bruh, people have been chopping each others heads off with swords in the desert for thousands of years.  

The lack of nuance, compassion, and understanding on this thread is astounding. I thought this was supposed to be the Conscious Politics section.


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2 minutes ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

 

The lack of nuance, compassion, and understanding on this thread is astounding. I thought this was supposed to be the Conscious Politics section.

How about you tell me a time when life wasn't shit in Palestine.

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Just now, Anton Rogachevski said:

@Husseinisdoingfine

How can you expect to hear something intelligent from someone who calls himself "woke"?

I don't actually subscribe to 'woke' ideology.  It's pathetic, and it blames all problems on white people as if everyone was fine before contact.

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14 minutes ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

The lack of nuance, compassion, and understanding on this thread is astounding. I thought this was supposed to be the Conscious Politics section.

@Husseinisdoingfine Why is it not compassionate to say that al old attemps fail too work? The money of the west is not solving anything. I think Isreal would love te help palestinians if only they were safe in their own land. But its just religious wars , what it is all about. Nothing else. If it were just about living good you wouldnt say stuff like Nobel prize winner Arafat:

 

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20 minutes ago, TheDao said:

@Husseinisdoingfine Why is it not compassionate to say that al old attemps fail too work? The money of the west is not solving anything. I think Isreal would love te help palestinians if only they were safe in their own land. But its just religious wars , what it is all about. Nothing else.

I can't believe Hussein is talking "hey guys be compassionate now" after he just accused Israelies for every single problem that ever existed in Palestine like it wasn't happening before the Israelies got there. 

He's really making the claim that it's compassionate to accuse white people and jews of everything.

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I finally got the link to embed, what do you all think when you see these videos? Especially you @Leo Gura

 


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@Husseinisdoingfine This is of course provoked. From a palestinian living in Jerusalem (by the way these sort of tricks are played lots of times, this is not new)

After Palestinian PM Mahmoud Abbas canceled highly anticipated elections, Hamas simply saw an opportunity it could not pass up, exploiting the Sheikh Jarrah situation and an already tense environment during the holy day of Leylat Al Qadr and Jerusalem Day. Hamas is currently running a social media campaign calling for Palestinians to incite violence during demonstrations in Jerusalem and elsewhere. They are encouraging Palestinian youth to throw their lives away by hurling rocks and makeshift bombs at police.

Hamas-led riots outside of the Al Aqsa Mosque prove that Israeli police are not at fault for the dangers preventing Muslims from praying. Hamas has incited mobs and provoked violence with the intention of framing Israel for ethnic cleansing. Just today, provocateurs filled several busses to travel to Jerusalem to participate in the “historic” riots and answer the Hamas call to incite violence….

This dispute is not actually about four houses in East Jerusalem. This is about Hamas seeing a chance to seize the narrative and increase its own influence and control over Palestinians in Jerusalem. Don’t buy their fake news and let them dilute their own blame. In the coming days, Jews and Muslims are both likely to die because Hamas saw political upside in violence. Don’t forget it.

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Seeing my Muslim family members discuss the situation gives me a headache. They will take it to the extreme and talk anti Semitic crap. Ah, it’s so nice to have a meta pov. 

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10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

ust because your people were treated badly does not give them the right to now treat others badly. That's exactly how the Nazis justified the Holocaust. You are doing the very evil you complain was done to you

Im interested in what is supposed to be done about this then? Are the Palestinians supposed to just lay down their arms like Gandhi? If we live in the relative world where survival is on the line are we supposed to just give it up? Enlightenment, while making you conscious doesn't mean you are a pushover right? It feels like a paradox because on one hand survival is on the line but on the other we just end up in an endless retaliation cycle.

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