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1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

@Leo Gura have you thought about writing? maybe you would reach more people

I am writing a massive book.


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2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I am writing a massive book.

How many pages do you estimate will be the end result? Like 1000 pages?

Really looking forward to that one


Let thy speech be better then silence, or be silent.

- Pseudo-dionysius 

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3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I am writing a massive book.

I look forward to it. it can be revolutionary.

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7 hours ago, AtheisticNonduality said:

More like R-Modafinil mode.

nice


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I especially appreciated this video. Usually because you go slow I have to put in much attention to stay alert. I like this speed. Some things you talked about clicked a bit better. Do need a bit of background to make sense of what you are talking. For the mainstream your talking like some sort of strange space cadet I guess.

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I always hoped I’d see Leo on joe rogan, but after watching the recent podcast I can’t see it doing much good. I’d love to see him talk to Sam Harris though, imagine if Leo opened his mind, surely some of his fans would follow suit? I mean a material atheist who actually realised he’s believing in a false ideology, that could be a key turning point in history. 

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6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't even know if I want to at this rate because there is no benefit in it for me when people are so set on misunderstanding what is said.

It's like a projection nightmare.

These ideas will only make sense to the right audience. I cannot take a room full of clueless, closedminded materialists and convince them of anything spiritual. To attempt such feats is an exercise in stupidity and demeaning to my intelligence.

That's what's called casting pearls before swine.

Isn't it more like a skill, to present these ideas in a simple & charismatic fashion. Look at sadhguru, Spira or Eckhart tolle, they know exactly how to phrase these things clearly. Its just triggering  newbies to hear someone talk about being in the possesion of the ultimate truth etc. It'a just a short conversation, so its probably best to not even go into certain directions.

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11 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The problem is dumbing it down to a level the audience can follow. Dumbing it down in the right way takes a lot of skill and I still need to get better at that.

Sadhguru is a master at this.

I admire his ability to non-violently communicate wisdom in a fashion that is accessible for many people across the spectrum of consciousness and development. 


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13 minutes ago, Phyllis Wagner said:

Isn't it more like a skill, to present these ideas in a simple & charismatic fashion. Look at sadhguru, Spira or Eckhart tolle, they know exactly how to phrase these things clearly. Its just triggering  newbies to hear someone talk about being in the possesion of the ultimate truth etc. It'a just a short conversation, so its probably best to not even go into certain directions.

Exactly, simplicity and wisdom are the ultimate Truth reflections.

The elegancy of metaphors and pointers as a tool to teach Truth cannot be replicated, because it is impossible.

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7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

That's the catch-22 of this business.

On the one hand you guys want me out there talking to people on normie shows.

Then when those normies fail to understand anything or run amok, then you say: Look what you did, Leo!

Pick what you want: 1) Do you want normies to know about God, or 2) Do you not?

If you want normies to know about God, then realize that they will fuck it up badly, as they have for the last 2000 years. Or if you don't, then stop telling me that I should go on Joe Rogan and such.

How do you imagine Joe Rogan fans will react to what I teach? They will think I'm insane and they will blame Rogan for having me on. That's how normies react to Truth. I can't fix that. There is no way to make Actualized.org a mainstream accepted teaching. That expectation deeply misunderstands the depth of the epistemic quagmire society is in.

God cannot be mainstreamed. Not unless you completely pervert it into falsehood.

Itt is inevitable that intellectualizing about the Divine will create significant resistance. When you take the Divine and turn it into idea, it becomes falsehood in the eyes of your brothers and sisters. This is actually a good thing, it is wisdom, because ideas could not possibly be truthful, they could not possibly be the Divine. It forces you and them to embody the Divine, and that is all you have to do. If you embody it, you will naturally pull your brothers and sisters towards the Divine, whether they know it or not. Your interactions will naturally have more grace and appeal.

To the ego, heaven seems like hell. If you show the ego what heaven truly looks like, he will be disgusted by it. Of course he will, because he is thriving in hell. You tell a person from the middle ages that future generations will accept homosexuality, will be abandon Christianity and live democratically, their reactions will be to do anything possible to avoid that from happening. That is the nature of the ego. It needs to recognize it's own current limitations to be able to grow beyond them. So the dynamic here is very tricky, because just by having openly talked about all the issues, you have already painted yourself in a corner of having to defend everything you have said. You cannot guide the ignorant towards their own death, because you have told them that they will die!

As you know yourself, you cannot market consciousness to the masses. You cannot use an unconscious process and expect it to increase consciousness. And thinking is unconscious. You are trying to make them think themselves into more consciousness. All of these people have problems precisely because they value thinking so much. What they need to do is engage the parts of their minds that are non-thinking, that are unifying, holistic. And of course they won't do that if not even you do that! Falling into thinking will cause suffering and disharmony, as it is causing for you.

 

If you do not overthink it, you embrace it as a part of the process of unification and you naturally come to do that which is appropriate. That is wisdom. There won't be any need for justifications, for judgment, for any of these excuses and explanations.

 

People are not reacting against you in here just because the normies reacted a certain way, but because you quite obviously display some lack of wisdom, lack of embodiment. In my view this is what will render you teachings most inattractive to future generations, because they will see clearly your attachments and how your ego was struggling to go beyond them, in 1080p.

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3 hours ago, Adamq8 said:

How many pages do you estimate will be the end result? Like 1000 pages?

1000+

1 hour ago, Phyllis Wagner said:

Isn't it more like a skill, to present these ideas in a simple & charismatic fashion. Look at sadhguru, Spira or Eckhart tolle, they know exactly how to phrase these things clearly.

Sadhguru, Spira, and Tolle don't say anything of substance. They just give vague allusions to things. I have no interest in such talk.

Sadhguru, Spira, and Tolle have not taken on the task of deconstructing science or materialism for example, or explaining that you are God. My work is very different from such gurus. My work is much more technical and intellectual. I talk about complex models and metaphysics and epistemology and philosophy and politics, etc. Sadhguru tells stupid stories about Shankara and Pilai.

Someone like Spira also has a very niche audience of hardcore nondualists who he preaches to. And to a general audience he says simple things like close your eyes and feel your awareness. I don't do that kind of stuff.

Tolle does not go to a scientist and try to tell him that his entire worldview is a lie.

Besides, these people are not even fully awake. They could not tell you what God is, and they never have.


You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

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This is the first time I'm seeing Leo interacting with another human being. It was kind of weird. I thought he would be as much or more charismatic as in his solo videos. His chest hair saved his charisma a little bit though. :S 

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32 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Besides, these people are not even fully awake.

How do you know ?

They could not tell you what God is, and they never have.

Maybe they see this explanation as an obstacle ?

 


God is love

Whoever lives in love lives in God

And God in them

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5 minutes ago, Shin said:

How do you know ?

Infinite Consciousness

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Maybe they see this explanation as an obstacle ?

Or maybe they ain't fully conscious of God.

Spira talks about "other minds". What fucking others minds? This is a joke. All "other minds" are your mind.

You will never reach God-realization via Spira's pointings. It's weak sauce for unserious people.


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4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Infinite Consciousness

Or maybe they ain't fully conscious of God.

Spira talks about "other minds". What fucking others minds? This is a joke. All "other minds" are your mind.

You will never reach God-realization via Spira's pointings. It's weak sauce.

Read his books, his videos don't really give the background you need. Sounds ironic, but seriously I'm not kidding. He also is very, very good at changing the teachings up to meet people where they are at and you see a lot of that in the videos. 


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43 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

My work is much more technical and intellectual.

How does your work relate to Jnana yoga? I was reading about it the other day and it kind of reminded me of your stuff.


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5 minutes ago, StarStruck said:

This is the first time I'm seeing Leo interacting with another human being. It was kind of weird. I thought he would be as much or more charismatic as in his solo videos. His chest hair saved his charisma a little bit though. :S 

@StarStruck Haven’t you seen his interview with Martin Ball?

 

@Leo Gura Not gonna lie, your charisma seemed a lot more calibrated back then haha
 

I appreciate your courage though. I’d categorize this as a great learning experience. Keep at it. I believe it can be done in a graceful way. 
 

When your book comes out I’ll interview you and we’re going to kick some ass ;) 


"The journey never ends, the point of arrival is always now." 

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Posted (edited)

11 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Spira talks about "other minds". What fucking others minds? This is a joke. All "other minds" are your mind.

If there aren’t other minds, why give a fuck about anyone else at all? You could do anything and it wouldn’t matter because everyone is imaginary therefore not suffering from your actions 

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