Is investing into Markets conscious? Thought it was a short cut

[twoosees]

Simple question to discuss because I'm a spiral dynamics green minded type of person. My family on the other hand and pick up community I sometimes involve myself with advocate for probability systems such as the financial markets. Does it have any full circle effects to things such as the income  gap between poor and rich? 

Suggestions and opinions are appreciated. 

I'm in my 20s BTW looking to earn substantial income this year. I'm open to it but I don't if it sacrifices my ideals/integrity. I've been open to making it integral into my life if it's a concious mechanism/vehicle/medium to elevate my concioisness

Edited April 25, 2021 by twoosees

[twoosees]

@Zeitgeist So I've got to see if my motivations and approach are coming from a conscious place. ..? I have been reading up on Personal Financial Management and it seems markets are an aspect of finances you shouldn't neglect, as they become more complex as years go by. 

I appreciate your point. Thank you.

[Parththakkar12]

@twoosees Investing can absolutely be done consciously. You can have a Life Purpose as an investor, just the way you can have it as an entrepreneur! It's all about what you decide to invest in, what you decide to fund in the world! Do you invest in Coca Cola? Or McDonald's? Or Amazon? Or treasury-bonds? Or do you invest in Tesla? Do keep in mind that you are investing in the company, you are helping to create the company and the societal ramifications involved.

The more you do this, the more research you do into the companies you invest in, the more you'll get your own business-ideas and maybe you could find your way into one of these industries someday! That's possible. If I give a big-tech example, maybe you may create a social media app that actually shows the users ads that actually help them with their problems, the algorithm is set up that way instead of to addict users more and more to it.

Edited April 25, 2021 by Parththakkar12

[twoosees]

3 hours ago, Parththakkar12 said:

... the algorithm is set up that way instead of to addict users more and more to it.

I do not mind doing the research, thanks for pointing out that there are ways to align with your brand(identity) rather than be too much of oppurtunist.

I did not understand part of the last sentence, is there a typo?

[Leo Gura]

Income != life purpose

[The0Self]

If you're not investing (partaking in the capital gains that are already present), you're gonna get left behind, and those resources will just go to someone else who may or may not have your values.

[twoosees]

@Leo Gura

Lol, my artistic career is up and down due to some inconsistencies with my work ethic. Been doing illustrations, Graphic design, and practicing music.

Still at it though but thought that I should not shut myself, or be too resistant down to that area of the financial markets.

[twoosees]

6 hours ago, The0Self said:

If you're not investing (partaking in the capital gains that are already present), you're gonna get left behind, and those resources will just go to someone else who may or may not have your values.

Spot on. I shouldn't be crying foul if others are benefiting from it if I'm resistant to it. Not a lot of people are considerate as me about what I involve me in and the risks I take, which can make me shoot myself in the foot.

[The0Self]

8 hours ago, twoosees said:

Spot on. I shouldn't be crying foul if others are benefiting from it if I'm resistant to it. Not a lot of people are considerate as me about what I involve me in and the risks I take, which can make me shoot myself in the foot.

A pretty decent source on how to get into investing is Phil Town, from what I remember. He has a podcast called InvestEd. If you don't want to put a lot of time into conscious investing in individual companies; discounting cash flows; etc, you might just want to at least use an index, preferably the S&P but NOT just the standard SPY/market-cap-weighted index... but rather, modified to be equal-weighted (so it's not almost entirely in only the top 5 or 6 biggest caps), which consistently has a larger return than market cap weighted.

There are also conscious-funds. And vice-funds -- casinos, tobacco, liquor, etc. Vice generally outperforms conscious though.

Edited April 26, 2021 by The0Self

[Tanz]

There are more elevated and conscious solutions but first, you have to be both conscious and intelligent enough to offer the world a solution.  

The markets is one of the causes for political and corporate corruption, it is exploitative in nature because the people that created it is that.  
If you have a solution, please share a method or methods

 

Edited April 26, 2021 by Tanz

[twoosees]

@The0Self ? shout out man for even giving me resources into this space. I'll hopefully make time to get on them as soon as improve my work ethic and get the consistency going in my art

[twoosees]

13 hours ago, Tanz said:

There are more elevated and conscious solutions but first, you have to be both conscious and intelligent enough to offer the world a solution.  

The markets is one of the causes for political and corporate corruption, it is exploitative in nature because the people that created it is that.  
If you have a solution, please share a method or methods

 

I have identified some health listed companies. They are not at all perfect and have a long way to go. I hope I'm not naive enough to understand that by having investment in these health related companies I can influence how they operate and elevate the way they do business.. 

[Tanz]

@twoosees When they grow and get involved with companies that also invest in war and defense then that company would indirectly be involved in war too.  Furthermore, the entire stock exchange has been profiting from all the injection of wealth brought to the markets during this pandemic rather than government investing into the citizens.  

In hard times the institutions that fund the machine will naturally get fed first.  

You want to do something tremendous for humanity.  Start your own company, find a way to get resources ie cash without having to need to be publicly listed.  Grow your company to the level where it can revival those companies that are listed.  
The gangster thing is, doing that is near impossible as those companies get FREE money from the system. For every dollar you earn, they will get 10 dollars for doing nothing.  (not exact figures but you get the idea, how hard it is to scale yourself to serve the masses)  

To be fair the way things are right now isn't completely evil, there are lots of funding of universities and higher learning that elevate humanity.  

Edited April 27, 2021 by Tanz

[BipolarGrowth]

You can’t be authentic without FU money. You can’t have integrity without FU money. Otherwise you’ll always be bullied around by survival. This is some of the highest wisdom of stage orange. 

[Leo Gura]

22 minutes ago, BipolarGrowth said:

You can’t have integrity without FU money.

Buddha enters the chat.

[Tanz]

29 minutes ago, BipolarGrowth said:

You can’t be authentic without FU money. You can’t have integrity without FU money. Otherwise you’ll always be bullied around by survival. This is some of the highest wisdom of stage orange. 

There is a lot of truth in it but can't is a strong word.  There just has not been anyone in history that has grown astronomically without bending the knee.  Before the Buddha died he did mention that there will be another that will supersede him and lift humanity to heights never known referred as Maitreya Buddha.  I believe this person is coming to us but it wont be a singular person but rather a consciousness within us all, however, I believe there will be a person that will create a spark that will light an inferno.  

[BipolarGrowth]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Buddha enters the chat.

And he proceeds to discuss how he was born a prince. And then he went on to be truly authentic as he was not inhibited by money and saw the lack of contentment in material opulence. If he was born poor, we likely wouldn’t have a clue who he was. What would Leo Gura born in the Sudan look like ? 

1 hour ago, Tanz said:

There is a lot of truth in it but can't is a strong word.  There just has not been anyone in history that has grown astronomically without bending the knee.  Before the Buddha died he did mention that there will be another that will supersede him and lift humanity to heights never known referred as Maitreya Buddha.  I believe this person is coming to us but it wont be a singular person but rather a consciousness within us all, however, I believe there will be a person that will create a spark that will light an inferno.  

Yes, it’s the wisdom from stage orange. It’s of course not perfect, but if you don’t integrate this, it will be a problem. But what was a major precursor to this Maitreya Buddha event occurring? Humans became more successful at manipulating the world in ways that cover their basic needs so a consciousness of abundance can arise within us all. 
 

Before you can throw money to the wayside, you need money. Before you can fast, you need to stop starving. 

Edited April 27, 2021 by BipolarGrowth

[Tanz]

@BipolarGrowth It certainly takes money to make money and to be used as a catalyst to initiate change.  I am confident that the transformation won't be catalyzed by someone like Bill Gates child, Elon Musk child or any other child of a billionaire, mainly because they are handicapped from the start.  Their egos would not allow them to awaken to universal truths, which is why the Buddha renounced his wealth and empire to obtained enlightened.  

I personally work with people in all walks of life and can say there is something very different in people that come from generational wealth that makes their obstacles so severe that their extreme abundance is a hindrance.  The matrix of their physical bodies and their brains are so dense its hard for them to awaken, which is why something like yoga and a vegetarian diet is often used to increase the plasticity of their bodies and minds, but even then for such people, they would have to kill themselves millions of times to have a chance in their present lifetime. 

I believe the base entry point to move in any direction does start off in the middle class and starts weaning off dramatically when you start getting into the centry millionaire level 

I believe the precursor is now and in the coming decades.  The person is present, they are waiting for the world to be ready.  

[BipolarGrowth]

14 hours ago, Tanz said:

@BipolarGrowth It certainly takes money to make money and to be used as a catalyst to initiate change.  I am confident that the transformation won't be catalyzed by someone like Bill Gates child, Elon Musk child or any other child of a billionaire, mainly because they are handicapped from the start.  Their egos would not allow them to awaken to universal truths, which is why the Buddha renounced his wealth and empire to obtained enlightened.  

I personally work with people in all walks of life and can say there is something very different in people that come from generational wealth that makes their obstacles so severe that their extreme abundance is a hindrance.  The matrix of their physical bodies and their brains are so dense its hard for them to awaken, which is why something like yoga and a vegetarian diet is often used to increase the plasticity of their bodies and minds, but even then for such people, they would have to kill themselves millions of times to have a chance in their present lifetime. 

I believe the base entry point to move in any direction does start off in the middle class and starts weaning off dramatically when you start getting into the centry millionaire level 

I believe the precursor is now and in the coming decades.  The person is present, they are waiting for the world to be ready.  

An important thing about FU money, it could be $0 or $1 billion. It depends on the individual. The issue is that the wise person will at some point realize that the amount of money needed to give one FU status does not need to be high. A monk does not necessarily have integrity if they feel forced to act “as a monk” to get their food and shelter even if they don’t need money, the symbol of value, itself. It’s similar to me who has to act in a certain way to keep my professional image in order to keep my job. Until I have what I deem to be my basic needs met, I will have to play by other’s rules in the economic game and act in ways that are not fully authentic. 
 

Of course, the average move when living in decadence is to become attached to that experience. It takes some sort of intuition that the situation is limiting for there to be the chance they could change. Most wealthy people are even more entrenched in stage orange than the average person as they are getting to experience the peak states or highest status supported by that stage. 

[LfcCharlie4]

Investing in companies you believe in that are helping solve problems / issues in the world & improve people’s lives? That’s certainly conscious. 
 

of course it depends what you invest in, if you invest in a company making poison food / drink you are contributing to that.