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Why do conservatives always think society is doomed?

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10 minutes ago, Forestluv said:

@Hardkill Some recent polling suggests polarization is decreasing a bit. Biden has nearly 60% of approval. And even though most Rs disapprove of Biden, about half of Rs approve of Biden’s demeanor - which is a good sign.

Well, that's good. Maybe Biden will be even less polarizing than Obama, because Biden is a white man and not too intellectually advanced for people like Obama was.

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Conservatives hate change. They want to conserve. Change is scary because it challenges their effort to conserve.

When you are scared and operating from a place of fear you tend to think things are doomed.


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2 minutes ago, Roy said:

Conservatives hate change. They want to conserve. Change is scary because it challenges their effort to conserve.

When you are scared and operating from a place of fear you tend to think things are doomed.

Doomer boomer would be apt? 

 


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1 hour ago, dflores321 said:

What do you guys think will be the way that conservatives disappear? 

My guess Is that within the next 20-30 years, the intense conservatives will naturally pass away and allow the "Neo Marxists" to have more influence. 

Conservatism will never disappear. This generations Liberals will be the next generations Conservatives. That includes you. Eventually your worldview will solidify, 20 years will pass and you'll be scared and angry at all the young progressives trying to destroy society lol. Everyone always thinks they are the exception.

Be careful not to demonize so eagerly. Conservatism is a good and necessary thing. It's a balancing force that reigns in society from advancing too quickly and becoming chaotic. You cannot move to quickly and leave parts of society behind, they will always come back to bite you.

Without a healthy dose of Conservatism, progressivism goes rampant and out of control. I'm sure the moderate Liberals and working class people in Russia weren't happy when what was left of their country was destroyed by the Bolsheviks and their effort to overthrow the aristocracy.

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The more distorted one's perception of reality the more one fears the wrong things while not fearing the right things.


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26 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The more distorted one's perception of reality the more one fears the wrong things while not fearing the right things.

Sounds a lot like what happened with Richard Nixon. 

Given how our has become more polarized than ever and considering the fact that most Republicans keep shifting more and more to the right whereas most Democrats keep shifting more and more to the left do you think that there will be a day where there will be too many  conservatives who will become so reactionary to the point of seriously wanting to start a real 2nd civil war in this country?

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Conservatives are all about survival that is why they are good at it. Progressives think survival is to primal that is why they lose.

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5 hours ago, Forestluv said:

"No! Marriage is between two human beings!".

I don't understand. I mean, love is love.


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It's in the name, conservatives 'conserve' the status quo, that's basically the whole point. 

Some conservation can be good, for example if everyone was far left society might change more than we can handle so you may need that balance. Jedis bring balance to the universe but they don't take over 

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10 hours ago, dflores321 said:

@Opo I'm totally open to leftists doing this as well, but you cant say it's anywhere as bad and stupid quite frankly as conservatives. 

Yeah, in my experience there is an even bigger difference in whining. 

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Because they got the hunch that things can go horribly wrong if you play or change them too much, the reason because things are like they are right now is mostly because they work, at least on some levels. If it works it aint stupid, you do not have to understand it in order for it to work. Anyway, most liberals/progressives don't have this instinct, or at least it is weakened, from what I've seen there is an expectation of this new thing coming from their imagination to work before it is tested,critiqued or implemented.

I like to see conservatism as a filter in its functional sense, which in many cases can get confused and conclude that its job is to prevent anything from passing trough, this would especially be the case if conservatives felt that someone is ignoring them and is trying to rush and implement something totally new. In that case, its red alert and action stations.

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@dflores321 I think you should always be able to strike a balance here. Not all "progress" is good and not all values are worth retaining. But people do not seem to have the mental capacity to have these 2 perspectives in their head simulatneously.

I think there is a perfectly reasonably case to make that our modern culture is fundamentally detrimental to the human psyche, but we can't just revert back to tribal living, for which we are adapted, simply because the world is too connected, theres too many of us and there is just no incentive to stop and reconsider.
Most social change has a certain degree of inertia, by which I mean we nevery reall know when to stop. Have we come far enough? Do we stop here or go further?

Let the conservatives be the doom-mongers and status quo monkeys and let the progressives be the naive idiots and hopefully this thing stabilizes at some point. Or we get to a singularity :)

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You mean like when the left told us Trump would start WW3 and ruin the economy? That he's a nazi, racist, sexist, homophobe and every minority person should be fearful when he gets elected? "They'll come for you!", they said. When they equated Trump and his followers with fascists and warned that history repeats itself when we let fascist get in power? Remember all the celebrities who said they will move to Canada?

What about the green parties and ecology-movements that always claim that the apocalypse is near, unless we change things radically?

 

Being afraid of the future and making up doomsday scenarios is not a left or right wing phenomenon. It's natural for us to overreact when things change towards a direction we don't like. Both sides underestimate human's abilities to adapt to the world around them.

In the US, Republicans lost the latest election. Naturally, they'll look pessimistically towards the future. I didn't perceive them to pessimists when Trump got elected. Now, the republicans do what the democrats did the past few years. So please, at least be impartial in your critique. 

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31 minutes ago, Zizzero said:

You mean like when the left told us Trump would start WW3 and ruin the economy? That he's a nazi, racist, sexist, homophobe and every minority person should be fearful when he gets elected? "They'll come for you!", they said. When they equated Trump and his followers with fascists and warned that history repeats itself when we let fascist get in power? Remember all the celebrities who said they will move to Canada?

Suprisingly close you have to admit. 

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3 minutes ago, Opo said:

Suprisingly close you have to admit. 

And then trump said "The radical left! Will bring socialism! take your guns! take your rights! turn america into a communist nation! They are against the will of god! They will take away good jobs! They will ruin America!" It's a two way street here. Not like it's just the liberals trying to paint a picture, so are the connies. 

 

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It looks to me like conservatives idolise the past and want to go back to a supposed bygone golden age, whereas progressives idolise the future with the utopia they hope to create: they both have a distaste for the present and want to either hasten or roll back change.  I remember reading a story about some ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs complaining about how the hopeless young generation is sending the country to the dogs, this issue is as old as the human race :D 


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Anyone ever notice how Conservatives think the world is doomed for all the wrong reasons? It never centers around nuclear warfare, climate change, bio-diversity loss, ocean acidification, pandemics, soil degradation, etc. Any one of these could quite easily "end the world" as we know it. 

In a way I guess they're correct. The social progress that many of them claim will lead to collapse will only lead to the collapse of their own worldview. 

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15 minutes ago, abundance said:

Anyone ever notice how Conservatives think the world is doomed for all the wrong reasons? It never centers around nuclear warfare, climate change, bio-diversity loss, ocean acidification, pandemics, soil degradation, etc. Any one of these could quite easily "end the world" as we know it. 

In a way I guess they're correct. The social progress that many of them claim will lead to collapse will only lead to the collapse of their own worldview. 

I guess not all people can be intelligent like you.

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11 minutes ago, Epikur said:

I guess not all people can be intelligent like you.

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