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Can two identical things exist within infinity?

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For example, when we see a red item one day, will it be the exact same red when we see it another day, or will be a slightly different shade of red? Or can two identical things exist or is reality just a infinite gradient of differences?

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If two things were truly identical, you could not distinguish one from the other, and they would literally become 1 thing.

By definition, 2 requires some difference or distinction.

In the case of red, at the least these two reds would have to differ in their x,y,z coordinates.

It should be possible to have some qualities be identical though. Not in all ways, but in partial ways. For example, all protons have the same charge (I would assume).


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Rather than asking whether 2 identical things exist, maybe realize that 2 is the dream itself.


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34 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

If two things were truly identical, you could not distinguish one from the other, and they would literally become 1 thing.

By definition, 2 requires some difference or distinction.

In the case of red, at the least these two reds would have to differ in their x,y,z coordinates.

That makes sense, they are still different because of their differing coordinates, so at least one distinction exists among them to make them different though they are partially still the same. 

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2 minutes ago, Moksha said:

Rather than asking whether 2 identical things exist, maybe realize that 2 is the dream itself.

Hmmmm, they're both consciousness and therefore one, can still be distinct because of their coordinates or because they're different shades at some point within the boundary of each one...

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4 minutes ago, Holygrail said:

Hmmmm, they're both consciousness and therefore one, can still be distinct because of their coordinates or because they're different shades at some point within the boundary of each one...

Do coordinates require space? Do boundaries require separation? What happens when space and boundaries dissolve? :) Consciousness is all there is.


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14 minutes ago, Moksha said:

Do coordinates require space? Do boundaries require separation? What happens when space and boundaries dissolve? :) Consciousness is all there is.

yes, its all interconnected, space is what connects things, boundaries are a relative thing.. but maybe within this infinite gradient of differences can exist two identical things while obviously not being fully identical because of the coordinates, like two exact same shades of red.

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4 minutes ago, Holygrail said:

yes, its all interconnected, space is what connects things, boundaries are a relative thing.. but maybe within this infinite gradient of differences can exist two identical things while obviously not being fully identical because of the coordinates, like two exact same shades of red.

How do you feel about space? Maybe things happen within space, but the space itself is who you actually are. All the things, with their similarities and differences, are creations that arise and dissolve within the space of you. What if you are the ocean, and the tremulous waves are simply artistic expressions of who you ultimately are?


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12 minutes ago, Moksha said:

How do you feel about space? Maybe things happen within space, but the space itself is who you actually are. All the things, with their similarities and differences, are creations that arise and dissolve within the space of you. What if you are the ocean, and the tremulous waves are simply artistic expressions of who you ultimately are?

Yes, I am the space, the space is filled with air molecules which connects my body and everything within my bubble of perception.. even if i were in outer space, the vacuum is still filled with things, even things that we can't currently perceive with our current instruments which connects me to everything I'm directly perceiving.. its consciousness connected to consciousness connected to consciousness... And all the cool things within this "space" is an artistic expression of who I am :)

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@Holygrail There can be only One ?


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This is a just a word game.  'two identical' is a 'round square'.  

Can a square be round? No, by definition, squares are not round.. if a square is round, then it never was a square.  

Can there be 'two of 1 thing'?  That question doesn't even make sense. 


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The apparent change is so ‘slow’, relative to the apparent perception, that it seems like there are ‘things”. There isn’t even one ‘thing’, let alone two identical or different things. 


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20 minutes ago, Nahm said:

There isn’t even one ‘thing’, let alone two identical or different things. 

 

You should say there are no separate things... Or things lack inherent independent existence etc 

.. Otherwise this confuses a lot of people. :)


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3 minutes ago, SoonHei said:

2 iphones

identity (n.)

c. 1600, "sameness, oneness, state of being the same," from French identité (14c.), from Medieval Latin identitatem (nominative identitas) "sameness," ultimately from Latin idem (neuter) "the same" (see idem). 

Are the 2 iphones the "same" phone? 


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@Mason Riggle yes. i have even their ipods and first generation ipad

2 of all these items. and it's literally the exact same. they make it very much mold like. all devices is the same phone


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38 minutes ago, Someone here said:

You should say there are no separate things... Or things lack inherent independent existence etc 

.. Otherwise this confuses a lot of people. :)

Why though, when truth feels so good? 


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32 minutes ago, SoonHei said:

@Mason Riggle yes. i have even their ipods and first generation ipad

2 of all these items. and it's literally the exact same. they make it very much mold like. all devices is the same phone

They exist at separate coordinates in the dimension of space otherwise they would be one phone :)

 


 

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24 minutes ago, SoonHei said:

@Mason Riggle yes. i have even their ipods and first generation ipad

2 of all these items. and it's literally the exact same. they make it very much mold like. all devices is the same phone

There are microscopic variations, too small for the eye to see.

When you say 'same', what you mean is 'similar' (alike in almost every way). 


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22 minutes ago, Nahm said:

Why though, when truth feels so good? 

 


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