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23 minutes ago, Blackhawk said:

You didn't solve the problem/question, you just stopped thinking about it..

You just swept it under the rug. 

How would you know?

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7 hours ago, Blackhawk said:

Because I value the truth over feeling good. At least up to some limit..

Why do you value "truth" over feeling?

What if the truth is feeling?

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On 20/03/2021 at 6:37 PM, Blackhawk said:

How am I supposed to know what is true. I really don't know anything ?

This is sooo relatable xD 
Welcome to counterproductive relativism. I find it helpful to ground myself in intuition and feel. Pure rationality won't help you to make sense of the world.

Here's this thread where amazing people on this forum just dropped out gems.

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On 3/21/2021 at 9:06 PM, Blackhawk said:

I feel like shit.

 

I think it's really frustrating and weird that this life and all included suffering seems to be completely unnecessary. Meaning, there is probably no reward after you finish this life. So there is no meaning to any of this. Why do we live? I don't get it. It's all for nothing. It's like you would struggle and struggle with a task, but you don't know why you do it and there's nothing to gain from it, no salary, no reward, nothing.

I really hate this shit. Fuck everything. Really just screw everything. I don't want any of this, I really really don't.

(This is how I'm currently feeling.)

And don't say that I create the meaning. Or that I create all this. Or that I create anything at all. Just don't, because it's not true. Clearly clearly not. But I guess I don't know this either. But it feels super super unlikely that I'm the creator.

 

On 3/21/2021 at 9:58 PM, Blackhawk said:

You would never work a single day without salary, but you are supposed to work and suffer a entire freaking life without any salary whatsoever. And you don't even know how you got here.

Reality and life is so absurd that I almost get a stroke when I think about it. 

@Blackhawk This is heartbreaking. Think of those you love, how sad they would feel if they could see and hear your pain. And how your love, inner peace and appreciation heals and uplifts everyone. 

There's a mention of struggles, suffering, implied self-victimization, and then of there being no gain, salary, or reward. There seems to be extreme resistance to what currently is, everything is being viewed as a means to and end, and solutions/rewards are being expected to come from others.

This is a failure to realize the preciousness of the ? present moment. It can be hard to see, because we're completely immersed in it all the time, and the mind too often gets in the way. Part of awakening is realizing that living in the past and future means living unconsciously, missing out on the joy of living. When we experience joy, questions like "Why do I exist? What's in it for me?" seem silly. 

My advice, based on what helped me when I felt similarly trapped: Get your own physical copy of The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle. Every page is gold. Good to (re)read whenever the brain hijacks our entire being, dragging us down a spiral of too much mind, creating hell. "The mind is a wonderful servant, but a terrible master" --Robin Sharma. This is from Tolle: unconscious state (includes emotions) = identification with mind = false self creation (ego; used to substitute for true self which is rooted in Being).

I'm currently borrowing, so I don't have good notes but randomly came across a few pages that might be relevant to your situation. I hope it's OK if I post photos here rather than typing up quotes.. It's page 68, 69, and 72. 

Hoping you find your way soon ♡

Page 68 - Echkart Tolle.jpg

Page 69 - Echkart Tolle.jpg

Page 72 - Echkart Tolle.JPG

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@artcastle I don't love anyone.

I have the book and I have read it.

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"Never underestimate the power of human stupidity."   — Robert A. Heinlein

"I'm allergic to stupidity."   — Chris Colfer

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I tried an aggressive strategy in the other thread to try snap him out of it, didnt work. 

In MBTI terms a one track mind problem comes up alot with self over tribe imbalance, single deciders.

They have one lens to reason with (Ti), no value is given to what the tribe communicates and truth is top priority. (INTP)

If the "wrong" turn is taken, they go down a path, reach a dead end and nothing can get them out of it.

Double deciders can choose between more then one method of sense making, so they never get stuck. 

People that value the tribe, can value the sense making of others as much as their own, so they never get stuck. 

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@At awe No this is one slice. A view on how some unhealthy INTPs can get stuck. 

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On 20/03/2021 at 6:37 PM, Blackhawk said:

Atheists, materialists, religious, spiritual, and psychonautic people (and whatever else groups of people there are) all think they are on the side which knows the truth.

I think maybe they all are ignorant.

Maybe I am too.

I feel outside because I don't believe in anything specific, and I don't know anything.

How am I supposed to know what is true. I really don't know anything ?

Unfortunately this also means that I wont believe in any replies in this thread either, because I don't know whether what someone says is true or not. Because of that I haven't put a question mark in this post. I don't feel excited about what people will say, since their words don't mean anything to me. So I'm not sure why I even started this thread. Sorry I don't mean to be disrespectful.

In my experience, the ability to ask sweeping questions without necessarily arriving at any answers is an excellent ability to have. Your mind will want to arrive at an answer as soon as you ask your question. Like sweeping a dirty room, as long as your making small sweeping movements in the right direction consistently, you'll eventually clean out the room (arrive at your answer). Doing things this way takes longer but it's more authentic and comprehensive. And then when you have these different groups of people; atheists, materialists, religious, spiritual, and psychonauts...and you wonder which school is correct, you might be the one to realise that they are all wrong, AND they are all right. Truth doesent usually fit easily into any manmade category of philosophy, so instead of starting with a school of philosophy and working towards truth, start with truth and hold no dogma whatsoever. Or at least don't believe your dogma. 

And if your confused..just bring yourself back to the basics. What are you trying to find with this work. What does your intuition say. What is reality. What is god. What is the difference between hallucination and reality? 

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14 hours ago, integral said:

@At awe No this is one slice. A view on how some unhealthy INTPs can get stuck. 

I'm not a INTP.

I have done the test before, I don't remember what I got, but I remember it wasn't INTP.

According to experts those personality tests are worthless. And they don't have any support in science.


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"I'm allergic to stupidity."   — Chris Colfer

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Does truth come from science? Youve made it clear that everything is unknowable from your perspective. How does this work?  

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7 hours ago, Blackhawk said:

According to experts those personality tests are worthless. And they don't have any support in science.

MBTI maybe. Big 5 is pretty solid quantitatively speaking.

There are many things science can't help you with within your own life. MBTI has helped many.


To balance beauty and complexity so perfectly is a divine mystery.

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2 hours ago, integral said:

Does truth come from science? Youve made it clear that everything is unknowable from your perspective. How does this work?  

No but science is our best attempt at knowing the truth.

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

MBTI maybe. Big 5 is pretty solid quantitatively speaking.

There are many things science can't help you with within your own life. MBTI has helped many.

People believe in all kind of bullshit which makes their lives better. Even if something makes your life better it doesn't mean that it's true.

Even the belief that earth is flat has made lives better. Because you find a community which you like to be in, you get friends, you get a hobby, etc.

Even before I read experts criticize MBTI and other tests I instinctively "knew" that they are bullshit. I never liked those things.

I can see the psychological reason why people love that kind of horse shit. Spiral dynamics is another example.

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"Never underestimate the power of human stupidity."   — Robert A. Heinlein

"I'm allergic to stupidity."   — Chris Colfer

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6 minutes ago, Blackhawk said:

No but science is our best attempt at knowing the truth.

How do you know? Based on which meta-standards does science hold up better than (... you name it) in your opinion?

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4 hours ago, Blackhawk said:

Even the belief that earth is flat has made lives better. Because you find a community which you like to be in, you get friends, you get a hobby, etc.

I'm in this case using a very strict definition of science, but nevertheless, I would be careful not to compare something like MBTI with something like flat earth. You're losing a ton of nuance there. For a start, one is based on the genius of Carl Jung and the other is based on epistemic blindness.

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15 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

I'm in this case using a very strict definition of science, but nevertheless, I would be careful not to compare something like MBTI with something like flat earth. You're losing a ton of nuance there. For a start, one is based on the genius of Carl Jung and the other is based on epistemic blindness.

MBTI was developed by people who had no education in psychology. And MBTI is based on Jungs theory that a personality can be divided in 16 different personality types. That theory has now been proved false.

All serious scientists dismiss it as garbage.

 

(These are unfortunately in swedish. Maybe there's a swede reading this post. If you create a free account you should be able to read the articles.)

https://www.dn.se/ekonomi/maria-gunther-lottdragning-billigare-an-ovetenskapliga-personlighetstest/

https://www.dn.se/ekonomi/myndigheter-koper-oseriosa-personlighetstest-for-miljoner/


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"I'm allergic to stupidity."   — Chris Colfer

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34 minutes ago, Blackhawk said:

That theory has now been proved false.

In what way has it been "proved false"?

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To balance beauty and complexity so perfectly is a divine mystery.

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8 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

That is not how it works.

It's exactly how it works. Wrong theories gets thrown out and gets replaced with better theories.

Like the theory that earth is the center of the universe got replaced by something better.


"Never underestimate the power of human stupidity."   — Robert A. Heinlein

"I'm allergic to stupidity."   — Chris Colfer

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