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Cancel Culture. Umm Nope. It's Consequence Culture!

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43 minutes ago, Hansu said:

Sports is one field where I believe in strict divisions. I think its unfair towards biological females to allow male to female transitioned and/or males identifying as female to compete in same class. Same goes for prisons, for obvious reasons.

I would draw a distinction between physical and emotional/energetic. Transgender women still retain some muscle and bone strength, so it's not fair that they compete against cisgender women in sports. As well, it's no longer fair that transgender women compete against men. Trans women have an advantage over cis women yet are at a disadvantage against cis men. A transwoman can do things like run road races, play on a community softball leagues etc, yet she can no longer be a competitive athlete against cis men. Testosterone blockers are literally Performance DE-enhancing drugs. 

However, a prison is a totally different environment. Transgender women that have fully transitioned are very feminine. They don't have the aggression of men and they are now physically weaker than men. Emotionally/energetically and by appearance, they are feminine. Putting a transgender women with a group of male prisons is similar to putting woman with a group of male prisons. Both cis- and transgender women will get horrifically abused and sexually assaulted by the men. She won't be able to defend herself against a group of men. Putting a transitioned transgender woman with male prisoners is a form of cruel punishment. 

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11 hours ago, Vrubel said:

The people that stopped the Holocaust and slavery were for the most part stage blue.

Wrong. It was Orange. Since the Enlightenment, the West was being controlled by Orange, no matter what stage the ‘commoners’ were at.


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"Cancel culture" is a staple of conservative religious right wing tradition for a very long time. It is even enshrined and a dictate of their religious text even going to the extent of everlasting 'cancelling' of teaching that others who don't believe as they do have eternal punishment, torment and exile in their imagined afterlife

The list of 'cancelling' behaviors is long and harsh even inscribed into ancient scripture of stoning people to death for breaking arbitrary rules to the modern version of it in denying housing, employment, health care or services and commerce because others don't believe as they do. Even families will disown children and siblings in the most ruthless expression of this 'cancelling'.

So forgive me if I'm not exceptionally sympathetic to the fragile ego tears of these right wing types who cry foul about people on the internet being mean to them. Or they get some backlash from them discriminating against others or mistreating people because they believe differently. They teach and preach that the others are evil degenerates that deserve to be expunged from society then whine when people don't want to associate with them.

Don't let them create the narrative that 'cancel culture' is a product of the left and it's a problem when the left does it but completely ignore their own long history of it and get a pass for their continuing to do it. They ironically are calling for the cancelling of 'cancel culture' itself, they want to stop others from doing it to them for doing it to others. Call it out for what it is, they want to not be prevented from discriminating and cancelling others.

Ideally we prefer to live in a tolerant society that doesn't 'cancel' each other for whatever reason. Although, the tolerance paradox is something to consider because tolerating intolerance eventually destroys freedom of expression.

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Sigh, why can't we just get along?
I mean, we're all food for worms anyways so why get so upset about what other people believe?


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@tsuki Need to have a meme battle going, can't let the idiots take over and take it all. SD saw all these lower stages clash for centuries... and by now we should know what's good and what's horseshit. The time of Green is emerging and we can't go back to Orange now... 

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1 hour ago, tsuki said:

Sigh, why can't we just get along?
I mean, we're all food for worms anyways so why get so upset about what other people believe?

Not everyone wants to get along. Some are more concerned about the ways they live and perceive things being correct. 

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1 hour ago, Megan Alecia said:
2 hours ago, tsuki said:

Sigh, why can't we just get along?
I mean, we're all food for worms anyways so why get so upset about what other people believe?

@tsuki Need to have a meme battle going, can't let the idiots take over and take it all. SD saw all these lower stages clash for centuries... and by now we should know what's good and what's horseshit. The time of Green is emerging and we can't go back to Orange now... 

Do you mind if I post our exchange in Green mega thread? ?


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@SOUL

3 hours ago, SOUL said:

"Cancel culture" is a staple of conservative religious right wing tradition for a very long time. It is even enshrined and a dictate of their religious text even going to the extent of everlasting 'cancelling' of teaching that others who don't believe as they do have eternal punishment, torment and exile in their imagined afterlife

The list of 'cancelling' behaviors is long and harsh even inscribed into ancient scripture of stoning people to death for breaking arbitrary rules to the modern version of it in denying housing, employment, health care or services and commerce because others don't believe as they do. Even families will disown children and siblings in the most ruthless expression of this 'cancelling'.

So forgive me if I'm not exceptionally sympathetic to the fragile ego tears of these right wing types who cry foul about people on the internet being mean to them. Or they get some backlash from them discriminating against others or mistreating people because they believe differently. They teach and preach that the others are evil degenerates that deserve to be expunged from society then whine when people don't want to associate with them.

Don't let them create the narrative that 'cancel culture' is a product of the left and it's a problem when the left does it but completely ignore their own long history of it and get a pass for their continuing to do it. They ironically are calling for the cancelling of 'cancel culture' itself, they want to stop others from doing it to them for doing it to others. Call it out for what it is, they want to not be prevented from discriminating and cancelling others.

Ideally we prefer to live in a tolerant society that doesn't 'cancel' each other for whatever reason. Although, the tolerance paradox is something to consider because tolerating intolerance eventually destroys freedom of expression.

   Of course, cancel culture takes different forms when you look at how it evolved throughout history. The religious forms are stage blue or lower, depending on which aspect of reality they don't want and perceive as dangerous for their followers to engage in. There's many other forms of cancel culture that compared to past forms, makes them look like vanilla. Some stage green forms of cancel culture, like feminists, SJW's, and hippies complaining about the environment destruction and wealth inequality that some CEO or big company is doing, is gonna appear so much more peaceful than the cancel culture that took place during the Aztec civilization, in the form of sacrificing other tribal people that're inferior, or fast forward to the suffrage movement and how most of the active protesting women are sent jails or asylums.

   Also, cancel culture is open to whatever group willing to cancel culture, whatever political or religious group willing to participate in culture wars, so it isn't limited to right wing groups, in fact extreme groups use it often as a weapon.

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4 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@SOUL

   Of course, cancel culture takes different forms when you look at how it evolved throughout history. The religious forms are stage blue or lower, depending on which aspect of reality they don't want and perceive as dangerous for their followers to engage in. There's many other forms of cancel culture that compared to past forms, makes them look like vanilla. Some stage green forms of cancel culture, like feminists, SJW's, and hippies complaining about the environment destruction and wealth inequality that some CEO or big company is doing, is gonna appear so much more peaceful than the cancel culture that took place during the Aztec civilization, in the form of sacrificing other tribal people that're inferior, or fast forward to the suffrage movement and how most of the active protesting women are sent jails or asylums.

   Also, cancel culture is open to whatever group willing to cancel culture, whatever political or religious group willing to participate in culture wars, so it isn't limited to right wing groups, in fact extreme groups use it often as a weapon.

You trying to stretch the meaning of it to fit every time someone has a critique about something is nonsense.

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@SOUL

54 minutes ago, SOUL said:

You trying to stretch the meaning of it to fit every time someone has a critique about something is nonsense.

    Me stretching it's meaning is necessary to go beyond polarizing views of cancel culture as only right-wing extremists do, or left-wing extremists do, or over sensitive people do. There's also a difference between cancelling and critiquing, and I'm not conflating cancel culture for being a critique, instead cancel culture is a feature used by multiple groups and cultures in handling different views and cultures with different actions. The entirety of human history shows many different forms of cancel cultures, done by those in power or not. It's only a matter of can your scope see beyond the main narratives of what cancel culture is told by other people? I prefer in this case zooming out of context instead of zooming in to technical details of cancel culture.

   If you want share how you define it, do so. I'm defining cancel culture as a feature of how separate groups handle actions from other groups of people. It's a much bigger take on cancel culture. From a bigger view, it's easier to see the relativity of this thing called 'cancel culture' as a symptom of multiple groups handling each other's actions.  I do have some self biases to defining cancel culture, and my understanding is limited. If I'm wrong, let me know, so this not only benefits me, but you and others reading.

   The below post you made also implies that cancel culture has a history, that is mainly conservative and right, and a little admission that cancel culture is actually pluralistic, not limited to only one superior group.

 

   

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8 hours ago, SOUL said:

"Cancel culture" is a staple of conservative religious right wing tradition for a very long time. It is even enshrined and a dictate of their religious text even going to the extent of everlasting 'cancelling' of teaching that others who don't believe as they do have eternal punishment, torment and exile in their imagined afterlife

The list of 'cancelling' behaviors is long and harsh even inscribed into ancient scripture of stoning people to death for breaking arbitrary rules to the modern version of it in denying housing, employment, health care or services and commerce because others don't believe as they do. Even families will disown children and siblings in the most ruthless expression of this 'cancelling'.

So forgive me if I'm not exceptionally sympathetic to the fragile ego tears of these right wing types who cry foul about people on the internet being mean to them. Or they get some backlash from them discriminating against others or mistreating people because they believe differently. They teach and preach that the others are evil degenerates that deserve to be expunged from society then whine when people don't want to associate with them.

Don't let them create the narrative that 'cancel culture' is a product of the left and it's a problem when the left does it but completely ignore their own long history of it and get a pass for their continuing to do it. They ironically are calling for the cancelling of 'cancel culture' itself, they want to stop others from doing it to them for doing it to others. Call it out for what it is, they want to not be prevented from discriminating and cancelling others.

Ideally we prefer to live in a tolerant society that doesn't 'cancel' each other for whatever reason. Although, the tolerance paradox is something to consider because tolerating intolerance eventually destroys freedom of expression.

   How is your post any different to mine?

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Cancel Culture: when conservatives would stone homosexuals, blacklist socialists, do witch burnings, torture heretics, and demonize all other cultures but their own.


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To be fair, even far leftists like Michael Brooks were getting sick of cancel culture

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So I may have a misunderstanding of what the term means. I thought cancel culture was that thing where anyone can accuse a celebrity of anything and ruin their life that way?

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Because that is exactly what's happening. Again, I may have the wrong term - I just quickly glanced at wikipedia and thought the term fits to what's happening to these celebrities.

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@Michal__

33 minutes ago, Michal__ said:

So I may have a misunderstanding of what the term means. I thought cancel culture was that thing where anyone can accuse a celebrity of anything and ruin their life that way?

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Because that is exactly what's happening. Again, I may have the wrong term - I just quickly glanced at wikipedia and thought the term fits to what's happening to these celebrities.

   You are actually right, but that's one of many forms of cancel culture, one of the more popular ones to use.

   I've realized we're mainly discussing right-wing cancel culture in this thread, so I'll refrain from going meta and introducing other forms of cancelling that at first don't seem like cancel culture. Main point I want clarify is that no group has ownership, privilege and monopoly over cancel culture.

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40 minutes ago, Michal__ said:

So I may have a misunderstanding of what the term means. I thought cancel culture was that thing where anyone can accuse a celebrity of anything and ruin their life that way?

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Because that is exactly what's happening. Again, I may have the wrong term - I just quickly glanced at wikipedia and thought the term fits to what's happening to these celebrities.

Well, it wasn't called cancel culture 10 years ago when people would get fired for something like sovinism, but the consept is the same. Say something stupid in a magazine, get reported on it by the stock holders and then get fired for what you said.

Now, replace magazine with social media and stock holders with general people and thats roughly how the term cancel culture was born. Its basically the same thing, just a different name.

 

EDIT: Oh, and yeah there doesn't need to be any truth behind the accusations, you can apply those same three steps on witch hunts.  Say something witchy, get reported on by christians, then get burned for being a witch. Same shit different package.

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9 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Cancel Culture: when conservatives would stone homosexuals, blacklist socialists, do witch burnings, torture heretics, and demonize all other cultures but their own.

   Thank you for explaining what I wanted to say, but much shorter. Not just conservatives, but any culture can cancel all other cultures.

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