dflores321

Why is the Mental Health Community so Depressing and Hopeless?

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This is something that bothers me. 

Mental hospitals and psychology centers are made to look like long corridors that are white, it makes you feel like something is really wrong with you. 

Also, it seems like personality disorders are bullshit, no one really knows what they're talking about, the symptoms of all these disorders overlap so much that eventually it's clear that your diagnosis is just an educated guess. 

And once you're diagnosed with something, that's it youre fucked for the rest of your life. Honestly, I havent seen any person with bipolar, schizophrenia, narcissism, and depression end up becoming healthy and fulfilled in their lives. They're always coping, but theres no liberation, this is something else that really annoys me. 

I'm really bothered by all this because I think something is up with me but I hate the hopelessness that surrounds people with mental problems, there has to be a solution to this. 

I dont wanna be some guy just coping with depression or adhd, I wanna own it in life. 


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31 minutes ago, dflores321 said:

This is something that bothers me. 

Mental hospitals and psychology centers are made to look like long corridors that are white, it makes you feel like something is really wrong with you. 

Yeah, sounds horrible. Ideally it should be more of an uplifting and vibrant atmosphere!

31 minutes ago, dflores321 said:

And once you're diagnosed with something, that's it youre fucked for the rest of your life. Honestly, I havent seen any person with bipolar, schizophrenia, narcissism, and depression end up becoming healthy and fulfilled in their lives. They're always coping, but theres no liberation, this is something else that really annoys me. 

I had depression and anxiety as a teen and I have definitely gotten over both, which I am truly grateful for. I am not immune to feeling sad or anxious, but this is very rare nowadays. My life isn't perfect either but I know my future is bright :D

31 minutes ago, dflores321 said:

I'm really bothered by all this because I think something is up with me but I hate the hopelessness that surrounds people with mental problems, there has to be a solution to this. 

I dont wanna be some guy just coping with depression or adhd, I wanna own it in life. 

There definitely ARE solutions to both of these and you CAN own your life! It's just about finding the solutions that will work for your individual case, but you definitely can :D💛

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@Moon thank you ♥️. 

I notice I'm very hard on myself, so with this depressed day I'm just laying down when I'm supposed to be working. 


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In my experience, the harder you are with yourself, the more negativity and stress builds up which will lead to you procrastinating more. It's a shitty negative cycle. 

I don't know if you like kids or animals so this analogy may not be useful to you. But treating yourself as a young child/baby or pet that you love and being gentle with yourself is a good way to start. Forgiveness and reducing the self-hate (if this exists, or negativity towards yourself), is what you deserve!

I know those things can be easier said than done though, but you can defo get there! Long term, meditation really helped me be in control of my emotions and negative thoughts. Even short time, meditating or listening to healing music can do wonders. I recommend "healing vibrations" on YouTube for singing bowl music. 

Doing thought field therapy tapping can also provide some instant relief if you're feeling down, I recommend this video: 

 

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@Moon thanks, I get frustrated with the hard times because I expect to be peaceful at all times.

I feel a lil better now after eating candy.

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It's not the diagnosis, it's the drugs. Once you're on them you're on a good path of not being able to get off them and they alter your nerv cell functions and in the case of neuroleptics decrease even brain volume.

Another thing is, psychiatrists profit from creating for people an identity around those disorders.

People are not encouraged to think and feel independently either, let alone question.

But I don't think psychological psycho therapy is by far as bad as psychiatry, if even bad at all.

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I have been stuck because of not had either the money to use private help and self-aware understanding how to handle my huge destructive conservative deep-rigid-ego that did not want to die and develop, my ego that got a resistance and refused to do progress, have struggle with society free government financed mental health field since 2001 and got nowhere and got a view about my self that not was true.

They dont have a structure to use a holistic view and therefor not able give a proper help or listen what the patient are saying between the lines.

After found Actualized.org 2018 and Leo's start list with videos i got on a path, that today have got my eyes wide open and a understanding that i got to keep low profile what i say and how i say stuff now on when have contact with society based health care systems.

The drugs might be helping a while, if the issues are holistic treated, if drugs are used parallel with tailored treatment,strategies are learned to give patient a coping toolbox and not use drugs as a bandage and never able clean the wound to heal properly.

 

 

 

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Because the health industry & health culture in general is in it's dark ages. 

They are still giving out SSRI'S like candy. These things permanently stunted my sister because she still takes them thinking she needs them, she has internalised the view that she needs SSRI'S to function. He potential is so stunted by the health system she doesn't even acknowledge it. She's gotten pretty fat now by the way, probably due to the SSRI'S fucked her motivation. 

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If you don't know what a mind is,  fundamentally, you'll be operating on trying to heal someone else's (that's the first mistake) "mind" based on your own mental "ideal" (idea) of what such a thing is. Your work will be like trying to level up the third floor of a house by adding extra lumber to it, when the whole house is build on sand. 

You have never experienced a mind. You experience thoughts, and thoughts of a mind or other people's minds and that's all the mind ever ends up being, in your direct experience. 

Essentially, healing someone with a mental illness by coming about it with the assumption that something is horribly wrong with their mind is like trying to heal a unicorn. Yes, this delusion is a painful one. I'm not glossing over that at all. But many healers miss that the delusion is shared and not only relegated to the "crazy" patient. 

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@mandyjw That's interesting. Do you imply that every mental health "problem" should just be treated by teaching how to observe the mind without mistaking it for reality and without trying to change thoughts and feelings (like in meditation)?

 

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@Farnaby No, not necessarily. I believe that everyone should be taught the essence of meditation, and what they really are. I think that there's a place for most all the various therapies that we currently use, and more.

I would say this, the true purpose of a diagnosis is to impersonalize and let go of suffering in an intelligent manner, utilizing all the therapies that seem fit. It is absolutely NOT to identify someone with a specific label that is strongly associated with suffering, and to use this label to hold thoughts of one who is identified with suffering in place. 


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@mandyjw oh okay, I thought you meant letting go of identification with thoughts is the solution to all mental problems. I actually do think there is some truth to that, even if it seems simplistic. 

And I completely agree about the purpose of a diagnosis. Unfortunately, most people get attached to their diagnosis. 

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I think you will eventually have to dettach. It is cute that you feel for them, but I don't know if it actually helps anybody, sharing the pain. If it keeps draining your motivation and happiness, then you will not be able to do anything for these people you care about.

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Why you think there's something wrong with you?


A thought can´t ever tell you how you feel.

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@Javfly33 because I'm lazy as fuck. 

I dont want to do anything. 

I've literally stood up everyday thinking of what to do that will produce success and fulfillment, I can barely come up with anything. 

I dont even believe the positive shit, it doesnt work. 

I'm miserable every day. I just take a different drug to feel okay with living whether its food, weed, coffee, porn, etc. Then the cycle repeats, then I get some hope like maybe I can do this?! Then i fall back down. Its annoying!! 


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@dflores321 the fact that you're aware of the pattern is already a big step. 

Try to introduce some space between the impulse to fill the void and the action. That way, you can increase your tolerance to uncomfortable feelings and maybe get more clear on what it is you're lacking and trying to fill. 

In my case weed was holding me back quite a bit in a not so obvious way so I would try to cut that down to weekends or something like that. 

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When a depressed day is recognized as a healing day, hospitals will be vibrant with color.

A few days away, alone, completely detached, works. 

We can think in terms of dosage, of healing. 

Well being is like happiness in the manor that when searched for it isn’t found. When not searched for, when not stressed over, it is experienced as the natural order of the very fabric of reality. 

Letting Go.

 

“Every now and then go away, have a little relaxation, for when you come back to your work your judgment will be surer. Go some distance away because then the work appears smaller and more of it can be taken in at a glance and a lack of harmony and proportion is more readily seen.”
― Leonardo da Vinci


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Because the real goal should be excellence, not managing dysfunction.

No amount of merely managing dysfunction can lead to excellence.

You don't want life to be normal. You want life to be extraordinary.


You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

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They simply need more drugs. Haha. 

Edited by Megan Alecia
Shockingly drugs are actually something that are quite tricky when it comes to mental illness... despite the fact that it dissolves boundaries in a regular albeit neurotic mind.

"History is a nightmare from which I am trying to awake." — James Joyce

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On 2021.01.12. at 1:23 AM, Leo Gura said:

Because the real goal should be excellence, not managing dysfunction.

No amount of merely managing dysfunction can lead to excellence.

You don't want life to be normal. You want life to be extraordinary.

I would even go further. Everyone is tired of being too overly logical as it clearly doesn't work. We are missing essential aspects of life, not even regarding enlightenment, but those things could help.

We are hardwired to want to have psychic powers, be supper happy, be healthy, all knowing e.c.t. Then why the idea of a superman ir zarahtrustra e.c.t., all these occult experiments, devi worship, shamanism e.c.t.

THE HELL WITH THAT EVEN. Even to shout, scream and dance you are affraid. Because you will feel targeted, not included in this madness. Self expression and artistry is super repressed also. And mechanical labour for decades reinforced - just to escape to your little pleasures including making children - yes, it is for entertainment. Wish more conservatives would accept this delusion.

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