Is there such a thing as absolute morality or meaning?

[WisdomSeeker]

Is there such a thing as absolute morality or meaning?Not subjective meaning or morality with a lower case m, but absolute meaning and morality with a capital M. If the purpose is life is to raise levels of consciousness and if the highest level of consciousness is oneness and pure love, is that not an absolute meaning of life and even a part of an absolute morality. I say absolute morality, not so much in a good or bad paradigm, but in a serving and non serving way or selfless selfish sort of way. If we are meant to unify with love and god, doing things thay get us closer to that vs things that take us further away is that not a cosmic morality, perhaps its semantics Im tripping up on. 

[r0ckyreed]

9 minutes ago, WisdomSeeker said:

 

Is there such a thing as absolute morality or meaning?

 

No. 
 

9 minutes ago, WisdomSeeker said:

If the purpose is life is to raise levels of consciousness and if the highest level of consciousness is oneness and pure love, is that not an absolute meaning of life and even a part of an absolute morality.

There is no purpose to life. Look at your hand right now. Notice what is Actual. Purpose and Meaning is not something found on your hand or in a tree or in the universe. Meaning and Purpose are a projection of your mind applying value and worth to something when there is nothing.

What is the meaning of money? Money has no intrinsic meaning or value. There are no intrinsic values. Money only has worth relative to you.

9 minutes ago, WisdomSeeker said:

we are meant to unify with love and god, doing things thay get us closer to that vs things that take us further away is that not a cosmic morality, perhaps its semantics Im tripping up on. 

We are not meant for that. Enlightenment is devoid of all meaning and purpose. It really doesn’t matter if you wake up or remain asleep. It doesn’t matter if the the human race goes extinct, or if the earth or galaxy vanished. Meaning is relative to you, and it is what you create. Existence is prior to essence.
 

Whatever you think Enlightenment is, is false. All of your beliefs, ideas, and thoughts are false, which means that they cannot be True in any sense.

 

 

Edited October 14, 2020 by r0ckyreed

[peachboy]

47 minutes ago, WisdomSeeker said:

Is there such a thing as absolute morality or meaning?

Yes.

But it doesn't pertain to judgement nor justice. Rather it evolves from an understanding that personal identity is an illusion, and that the first-person consciousness that exists behind you is the same fundamental consciousness that exists behind all other finite minds.

Therefore, the homeless guy down the street is the same fundamental entity as you, albeit at a different point in eternity. Whether or not you choose to give the homeless guy a sandwich is up to you - no-one's going to judge you for it. You either choose to give yourself the sandwich or you don't choose to give yourself the sandwich.

In other words, moral objectivity is a space where compassion and wisdom are one. It's the understanding that we are one collective consciousness - a singular organism refracted into an infinity of temporal states. Service to others is the same as service to self and vice versa.

Of course, this has something of a charming irony to it: If you choose not to give the sandwich to the homeless guy then you're a selfish bastard. But if you do decide to give the sandwich to the homeless guy, then you're still a selfish bastard.

And that's perfectly fine.

 

[WisdomSeeker]

23 minutes ago, peachboy said:

 

Of course, this has something of a charming irony to it: If you choose not to give the sandwich to the homeless guy then you're a selfish bastard. But if you do decide to give the sandwich to the homeless guy, then you're still a selfish bastard.

And that's perfectly fine.

 

@peachboyI love it.. great answer. 

Edited October 14, 2020 by WisdomSeeker

[r0ckyreed]

11 hours ago, peachboy said:

first-person consciousness that exists behind you is the same fundamental consciousness that exists behind all other finite minds.

 

All other minds that you think exist are imaginary.

 

11 hours ago, peachboy said:

the homeless guy down the street is the same fundamental entity as you, albeit at a different point in eternity.

Homeless guy is imagination that exists within Direct Experience (DE). There is no different point in eternity. 

 

11 hours ago, peachboy said:

Whether or not you choose to give the homeless guy a sandwich is up to you - no-one's going to judge you for it. You either choose to give yourself the sandwich or you don't choose to give yourself the sandwich.

Again. The sandwich, the homeless guy, and everyone who judges are imaginations within Consciousness. Choice is also imaginary because it implies someone who is choosing, which is also duality.

When you have non-dual awareness, there are no distinctions between anything. You won’t even have an idea of an earth or your own name because all of that is duality within nonduality.

11 hours ago, peachboy said:

moral objectivity is a space where compassion and wisdom are one.

No such thing as objective anything. All you have are first-person appearances in Subjectivity.

 

11 hours ago, peachboy said:

If you choose not to give the sandwich to the homeless guy then you're a selfish bastard. But if you do decide to give the sandwich to the homeless guy, then you're still a selfish bastard.

Who is it that decides whether you are selfish. How do we know that they are right? 
 

Another thing to consider is that selfish cannot exist without selfless. If somehow selfishness is able to be found on a tree, it is the selflessness of the tree the allows it to exist. They both define each other. Without selflessness, selfishness loses all of its meaning. But then again, there is no meaning. It doesn’t matter if you are selfish or selfless from Absolute perspective.

Edited October 14, 2020 by r0ckyreed

[Breakingthewall]

@r0ckyreed yeah, but imaginary means that have been created for the imagination of the absolute, in a perfect and huge orchestra, where all the imaginary characters have a karma. So there we are imaginary but real. The meaning of all this game go further than the mind can catch, but if you are connected , you d feel that it's not the same to torture babys than love grandmothers. I don't know why, because all of us are only a shape, an hologram, nothing at the end

Edited October 14, 2020 by Breakingthewall

[peachboy]

@r0ckyreed

Everything is imaginary from the perspective of the omniscient. But that has little meaning from the perspective of the many non-omniscient states that are the mask for infinite consciousness.

Absolute un-consciousness is absolutely impossible. Therefore you cannot escape from eternity even if you wanted to. The recreational descent from the omniscient to the non-omniscient has occurred at least once. Why should it not happen again?

Are you ready to experience Hiroshima and Nagasaki for yourself? Who do you think those people were if not you? Are you ready to experience Auschwitz and Treblinka? Are you ready to make the leap from the 105th floor of the World Trade Center? Every rape, and every rapist from birth to death? Every house-fire, every cot-death, every kitchen-sink drama. Who do you think these characters are?

It's easy to dismiss everything as imagination when you have the luxury of enlightenment. But wisdom comes and goes in oscillations throughout the entire breadth of eternity.  As long as you're ready to feel the atomic blast burn the skin from your bones, then I guess you're good.

Personally I'd prefer to give the homeless guy a sandwich.

[r0ckyreed]

58 minutes ago, peachboy said:

Are you ready to experience Hiroshima and Nagasaki for yourself? Who do you think those people were if not you? Are you ready to experience Auschwitz and Treblinka? Are you ready to make the leap from the 105th floor of the World Trade Center? Every rape, and every rapist from birth to death? Every house-fire, every cot-death, every kitchen-sink drama. Who do you think these characters are?

All of that is imagination. Your own birth is imaginary. The only thing that exists is NOW. Everything else is imagination. Look at your hand. That is Absolute Truth. 

 

58 minutes ago, peachboy said:

It's easy to dismiss everything as imagination when you have the luxury of enlightenment.

It’s not dismissing. It’s realizing what it is. It is imagination within DE.

 

58 minutes ago, peachboy said:

Personally I'd prefer to give the homeless guy a sandwich.

Me too. This is a preference and has no moral truth to it. 
 

Morality is emotional, not logical, rational or even true.

Logic and rationality are tied to emotions. In other words, it’s a tool of the Devil.

Edited October 14, 2020 by r0ckyreed

[peachboy]

2 minutes ago, r0ckyreed said:

All of that is imagination. Your own birth is imaginary. The only thing that exists is NOW. Everything else is imagination. Look at your hand. That is Absolute Truth. 

 

Okay so that basically comes back down to preaching solipsism.

What you're saying is that the citizens of Hiroshima and Nagasaki are effectively NPC philosophical zombies that didn't have any experience.

If one rejects solipsism and the citizens of Hiroshima and Nagasaki did have that experience, then it only could have been experienced by 1st-person consciousness, which is both your fundamental identity and the identity of infinite consciousness.

 

[r0ckyreed]

1 hour ago, peachboy said:

Okay so that basically comes back down to preaching solipsism.

Solipsism is imagination.

Preaching already assumes duality as truth.

 

1 hour ago, peachboy said:

What you're saying is that the citizens of Hiroshima and Nagasaki are effectively NPC philosophical zombies that didn't have any experience.

Hiroshima is imagination.

NPC zombies are imagination.

No experience is imagination.

1 hour ago, peachboy said:

Hiroshima and Nagasaki did have that experience

You are imagining it. It is the story your mind is playing. Notice that you are imagining it.

 

Notice that DE is all that exists. NOW is the only thing that exists. Anything outside of NOW or DE or Consciousness or whatever you wanna call it is imagination within Consciousness.

 

The idea that you are the only thing that exists is imagination. The idea that other people exists is imagination. There is no self or other. All of is duality and imagination.

Let me ask you this: Do you believe that you are sitting or standing on a round planet called Earth that is orbiting around a sun?

Notice that all concepts, thoughts, ideas, and beliefs are false, which means that they are not and cannot be true. Truth is prior to all concepts. What happens when you get rid of all that is false? Only Truth remains.

 

 

Watch Leo’s video on Actuality vs Concept. It really helped me out. 
 

Reality is imagination is another video you should watch.

Edited October 14, 2020 by r0ckyreed

[peachboy]

@r0ckyreed

With all due respect, I don't think you fully understand what you're talking about.

Here's a task for you:-

Spend the next few minutes manifesting yourself a chocolate gâteau with hazelnut glaze and marshmallow frosting. On the top of the gâteau should be a fondant decor in the style of Amy Coney Barrett's face while she holds an inflatable banana and wears a Mexican sombrero.

A pretty easy challenge for any imaginator. I'll give you 30 minutes.

Upload a pic when you're done.

*In the unlikely event you fail, better start stocking up on sun-screen.

 

 

[Inliytened1]

16 hours ago, WisdomSeeker said:

Is there such a thing as absolute morality or meaning?Not subjective meaning or morality with a lower case m, but absolute meaning and morality with a capital M. If the purpose is life is to raise levels of consciousness and if the highest level of consciousness is oneness and pure love, is that not an absolute meaning of life and even a part of an absolute morality. I say absolute morality, not so much in a good or bad paradigm, but in a serving and non serving way or selfless selfish sort of way. If we are meant to unify with love and god, doing things thay get us closer to that vs things that take us further away is that not a cosmic morality, perhaps its semantics Im tripping up on. 

Yes there is and its a great question and one that probably isn't touched on enough here.  But Goodness with a capital G is an Absolute.   This is synonmous with Absolute Love.   For example all evil is simply an unconscious form of Goodness.  Just as hate is a finite form of Love.    It's still Love in the Absolute sense but it is unconscious of what it truly is.  This is a result of Oneness.  

[SoonHei]

@Inliytened1

 

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[r0ckyreed]

34 minutes ago, peachboy said:

With all due respect, I don't think you fully understand what you're talking about.

There is no talking happening. It’s all imagination. You are hallucinating this forum, message, and Hiroshima, as well as your entire life. What YOU are is concept and imagination. There is no debate. All debating does is it adds more concept and imagination over more concept and imagination. DE is all there is. Anything you say is outside is DE is inside of DE.

 

34 minutes ago, peachboy said:

Here's a task for you:-

Spend the next few minutes manifesting yourself a chocolate gâteau with hazelnut glaze and marshmallow frosting. On the top of the gâteau should be a fondant decor in the style of Amy Coney Barrett's face while she holds an inflatable banana and wears a Mexican sombrero.

A pretty easy challenge for any imaginator. I'll give you 30 minutes.

That’s all concept and imagination.
 

I already manifested it and uploaded the pic in my imagination. Now what?
 

Notice that chocolate, hazelnut, marshmallow, Amy Barrett, etc. are concepts within imagination. 

 

Behind that picture is a thousand words and a thousand ideas and beliefs. Words, beliefs and thoughts are concepts and imagination, not Truth.

Edited October 14, 2020 by r0ckyreed

[r0ckyreed]

“Nothing is good or bad, but thinking makes it so.” — Shakespeare 

[peachboy]

2 minutes ago, r0ckyreed said:

I already manifested it. Now what?

 

Would you mind uploading a picture of it?

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, r0ckyreed said:

“Nothing is good or bad, but thinking makes it so.” — Shakespeare 

Shakespeare wasn't enlightened.  Do not underestimate Inifnity.  That duality collapses into the Absolute.

[r0ckyreed]

6 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Shakespeare wasn't enlightened.  Do not underestimate Inifnity.  That duality collapses into the Absolute.

Good and bad is also a duality and concept and imagination. When I look at my hand, I see no evil or good. Direct Experience is what it is. Good and Evil is imagination.

 

@peachboy The picture is imaginary.

Notice that the map is NOT the territory.

Edited October 14, 2020 by r0ckyreed

[Inliytened1]

Just now, r0ckyreed said:

Good and bad is also a duality and concept and imagination. When I look at my hand, I see no evil or good. Direct Experience is what it is. Good and Evil is imagination.

Ive seen your recent posts and you get it.  You  have Actuality and Pure Being down and have transcended materialism.  That's awesome..  What i am saying is that there are other facets of the Absolute that you can become conscious of.  There is more to go. 

[r0ckyreed]

17 minutes ago, peachboy said: