Donald Trump has tested positive for COVID-19

[Someone here]

9 minutes ago, Keyhole said:

Why do you care so much about how highly developed we are supposed to be?

I don't care honey.  I don't give a crap actually.  Trump is not my uncle. If he dies I don't really like "care" about that. I'm not a native American nor a citizen nor do I give a smell of a shit about this whole thing.

I'm just making an observation.  That there is an interesting self-deception when it comes to what people babble all the time and what they are actually are.  It's not what you babble all day that matters. It's when real life situations reveal what do you actually have inside of you. In terms of love.. Compassion.. Spiritual sense of ethics.. It turns out most people on this forum have ZERO.  Which is just interesting to know that's all. 

[Preety_India]

@Keyhole

 

Honey, please take good care of yourself. You are loved. 

Sending you all my positivity and blessings your way. You deserve so much more. You are an angel. 

 

 

 

[Someone here]

3 minutes ago, Keyhole said:

Focus on yourself. 

You too.  Take care. 

[Nahm]

 

 

 

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

memeing and trolling his ass while he is facing a deadly disease with his wife is not acceptable and is the peak of what you call low consciousness and lack of love.

Not accepting memeing and trolling is also a lack of love. But also, it is Love, since Love accepts even rejection of rejection.

People here reject Trump because he rejects others. You reject their rejection of Trump's rejection. And I accept your rejection of their rejection of Trump's rejection. Although I could reject your rejection of their rejection of Trump's rejection. And God accepts it all. And that is Infinite Love.

[zeroISinfinity]

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Not accepting memeing and trolling is also a lack of love. But also, it is Love, since Love accepts even rejection of rejection.

People here reject Trump because he rejects others. You rejection their rejection of Trump's rejection. And I accept your rejection of their rejection of Trump's rejection. Although I could reject your rejection of their rejection of Trump's rejection. And God accepts it all. And that is Infinite Love.

What da... Can't wrap my mind around what is written. What?! I tought I was smart need half of afternoon to understand. Hey still better then Neil. 

10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

A simulation would never be so clever

[Someone here]

24 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Not accepting memeing and trolling is also a lack of love. But also, it is Love, since Love accepts even rejection of rejection.

People here reject Trump because he rejects others. You reject their rejection of Trump's rejection. And I accept your rejection of their rejection of Trump's rejection. Although I could reject your rejection of their rejection of Trump's rejection. And God accepts it all. And that is Infinite Love.

LMAO ? gotcha. 

Well I guess I'm gonna continue my rejection of their rejection then since I accept my rejection of their rejection fully. But you could reject my rejection of their rejection and accept that. So idk lol jk 

[seeking_brilliance]

I agree, it's way too far to be wishing him dead. I think the fact that he won't be able to campaign for at least a week on the last few weeks before election will kill him enough. Then I want him to live with that. 

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[DocWatts]

Don't be the Left leaning version of someone who fantasizes about horrible things happening to criminals (and make no mistake about it, Trump is a criminal). Not because you own him anything or he's deserving of pity (he's not), but because because engaging in this sort of behavior makes you a worse person.

[Danioover9000]

   I wish he recovers and gets better soon regardless of our political conflict against him. I think America still needs to witness more of Donald Trump's actions, regardless if you're a republican, a conservative, a demarcate, a socialist and so on.

[Forestluv]

So much of life centers around image.Think of all the people that care about image and framing of this situation. Lots of different motives involved at personal and collective egoic levels.

 

[ajai]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

I don't care honey.  I don't give a crap actually.  Trump is not my uncle. If he dies I don't really like "care" about that. I'm not a native American nor a citizen nor do I give a smell of a shit about this whole thing.

I'm just making an observation.  That there is an interesting self-deception when it comes to what people babble all the time and what they are actually are.  It's not what you babble all day that matters. It's when real life situations reveal what do you actually have inside of you. In terms of love.. Compassion.. Spiritual sense of ethics.. It turns out most people on this forum have ZERO.  Which is just interesting to know that's all. 

Listen, being Strident won't prove your case right.

3 hours ago, Someone here said:

Yeah keep talking about unconditional love or how spiritual you are .. But you are light-years away from that. All of you. 

Yes maybe our "understanding" of love is not what yours is, but certainly we are not willing to put this facade of "love" lenses in his case no neverrrr !!

He's a mean asshole that's what we know, we are certainly not praying for his death over here, he's a devil contributing most to the disturbance of world order, we are not going to act ostensibly like some cheap politician hoping for his speedy recovery on twitter, he must be doing very well perhaps sipping henny.

This thread's been useful in reflecting upon his comeuppance, that he's certainly due for.

And pls for god's sake enough with your Lovey-Dovey love lenses put them off.

[Danioover9000]

@Keyhole

2 minutes ago, Keyhole said:

I think it's fine to wish people like that a poor outcome. 

Your thoughts manifest.  What if by manifesting the worst outcome for Trump is actually the best decision?

Let's say that we are in the timeline where he does manage to survive this and win the election and it causes more damage to the United States and more death?  It damages the future for the next generation of Americans.

Would it then have been better if he passed away from the disease?

 

   First of all, what you resist will persist. If most people keep resisting an outcome, that outcome will happen and keep happening in your lifetime and reincarnations later. By accepting, without ideally zero resisting, to little resisting, the outcome will actually change to something else, because you stop feeding the outcome with attention and focus, which almost all problems are fueled by, because focus is energetic.

   As above, so below, as within, so without. The same is true for blessings and curses. Allowing yourself to fixate on negativity more than positivity will manifest just like cursing, jinxing and hexing a human being. Yes, eventually through synchronicity, that outcome you desire will happen, but the backlash will happen in your life, or in your next life, as compensation for your cursing.

[DocWatts]

@Keyhole  I'm as disgusted and horrified by Trump as anyone you'll find, but would you say that wishing death upon even objectively horrible people is a sign of a virtuous character? Maybe it would be objectively better if Trump does pass away, but the death of another person isn't something to take pleasure in.   Ends justify the means can be a slippery slope... 

[Danioover9000]

   Spoiler alert: if non-duality and history will ever teach you something, it's this: you were that person long ago. not just the good or saintly, but the wicked as well. But you forgotten, so here we are.

[Forestluv]

27 minutes ago, DocWatts said:

Don't be the Left leaning version of someone who fantasizes about horrible things happening to criminals (and make no mistake about it, Trump is a criminal). Not because you own him anything or he's deserving of pity (he's not), but because because engaging in this sort of behavior makes you a worse person.

That would be a form of retributive justice. After Larry Nassar got busted I noticed a range of retributive justice sentiment. Some people wanted him to pay for his crimes by serving time in prison. Others hoped and fantasized that he would be abused and suffer in prison. One person even described graphic images of how other prisoners should abuse him. In a way, that is proportional since Nassar inflicted abuse and suffering onto others. At a healthy Blue level, there is serving a prison sentence. Throw in some Red and we get into an “eye for an eye” justice served mentality.

Utilitarian justice would have a very different perspective. This is focused on rehabilitating criminals so they can return to society as contributing members. Yet it seems very unlikely that Trump can be rehabilitated. This itself is a relative view, many believe Trump is a hero the way he is.

From the perspective that Trump is a criminal, in what form will there be justice? He has an impeachment on his record, yet that is merely a wrist slap. Is losing an election ‘justice’ for crimes? I’d say that is a consequence, not justice. Will Trump ever be tried in court and serve a prison sentence? I’d say unlikely. Is Trump’s karmic discomfort in living life as a narcissist sufficient justice? I’d imagine most people would say no. . . So this brings us back to the virus. Many people see the virus as a form of justice that Trump cannot escape - yet he is trying to do so with the best medical doctors and science. In this framing, it would be similar to Trump facing a trial for his crimes and his team of lawyers (doctors) are trying to use legal arguments (anti-viral treatment) to save him. Rooting for the prosecuting attorney’s and a life-long prison sentence (or death sentence) would be like rooting for the virus. From this perspective, the virus within Trump is the good guy of justice - the only chance for Trump to face justice. 

Just one perspective of many. It’s amazing how many perspectives are flying around right now. It’s like a playground for minds that can perspective jump. 

 

6 minutes ago, DocWatts said:

I'm as disgusted and horrified by Trump as anyone you'll find, but would you say that wishing death upon even objectively horrible people is a sign of a virtuous character? Maybe it would be objectively better if Trump does pass away, but the death of another person isn't something to take pleasure in.   Ends justify the means can be a slippery slope... 

There are distinctions. A person can hope for the death of an individual as a form of retributive or utilitarian justice. Experiencing pleasure via the pain and suffering of another’s death is sadism. That is a different ballgame. Yet there are various degrees and forms of sadism. 

[Willie]

1 hour ago, Nahm said:

 

 

 

Beautiful, thank you! The laughter and clapping when he talks about Marx is disgusting, though.

[Nahm]

Laws are a lot like reservations...it’s not enough to make them. It’s not enough to pretend there’s a separate self in there. Just gotta investigate and “hold the laws”.

[Someone here]

@Keyhole I would say try to really look at the root issue. What is actually behind you wishing Trump death?   Get over it "for betterment of America" nonsense.. .. What is actually the subconscious motive behind that?   You will find that it has something to do with YOU and not at all with Trump or America or any of that bullshit.   He can lose the election. But there is no justification to wish him death. It's not like he tortured your mother or something.  Hate and unjustified sadism have their place in the human psychology. 

Edited October 3, 2020 by Someone here

[Forestluv]

17 minutes ago, Keyhole said:

I'd be okay with being Trump once rather than a covid victim thousands of times over.

I naturally resonate with a similar empathic state. From a simple view, one might ask “Why aren’t you empathetic to Trump?”. Yet for most empaths, it’s much easier to experience empathy for those that are vulnerable, marginalized, stigmatized and abused than it is to experience empathy for someone who has power and uses their power to abuse those that are vulnerable. 

It’s natural for me to empathetically relate to the victims of Trump’s abuse. Empathetically relating to Trump himself takes work. 

Those that are immersed in intellectually analyzing the situation will not understand empathic dynamics. Rationalists will say things like “You are getting too emotional and not looking at this rationally”. It’s like speaking two different languages.