What do you think about a global electronic currency?

[Leo Gura]

24 minutes ago, Parththakkar12 said:

The regulations are publicly voted on

The regulations on not voted on, they are imposed by the Feds.

[Leo Gura]

26 minutes ago, FlowerNote said:

@Leo Gura the darknet, can never be shut down.

Don't be so sure about that. Feds could build a system to track of VPNs.

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With blockchain technology nobody is in control. 

The Federal gov is the original blockchain technology. No one is in control of the Feds, not even themselves.

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Of course it will never become mainstream.

Which means it will never be a serious global currency.

I hear far too many pie-in-the-sky pipe dreams from BitCoin libertarians on how it will be the next internet. And I'm calling bullshit on that.

[Heart of Space]

48 minutes ago, FlowerNote said:

@Heart of Space I bet. But who cares about libertarian fairytales. Globalism is coming and is here to stay. I was actually quite shocked at watching Leo's video on libertarianism, one of the least profound videos of him. That got me thinking, this is probably only profound in the USA. Here in europe you are either far right or globalist. Its probably because we had feudalism in Europe, and the USA was founded with the libertarian dream in mind in the first place. Here in Europe we know authority is needed.

Yea, I think it is an American phenomenon.   There aren't really libertarians in Europe eh?  None of the "lets go back to the gold standard" types?  

[Leo Gura]

Libertarianism is a particularly American disease. But watch out, disease can spread. Especially as most of the world is still at stage Blue and libertarianism only becomes appealing at stage Orange.

China, India, Russia, Korea, Japan, etc. could all develop their own flavors of libertarianism.

[FlowerNote]

@Heart of Space There are definitely conservative - far right people, but the American libertarian idea of a sandbox, western-esque country with police as the only government is not really here.

[FlowerNote]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Don't be so sure about that. Feds could build a system to track of VPNs.

"The U.S. government designed the dark web to behave exactly as it does, and that includes the inability for any government to control it. Otherwise, it would not be able to perform the job it was designed to perform - which is to provide essentially undefeatable anonymity in communications between endpoints. That design is essentially the software that encapsulates endpoint addressing of data, while passing it between intermediate routers that only know their piece of the local route. Those intermediate nodes are called The Onion Routers (TOR). Its core purpose was to allow military resources to communicate with each other in ways that NO monitor could tell who was communicating with whom."

- https://www.quora.com/Can-we-permanently-shut-down-the-dark-web-Would-we-want-to-Why-or-why-not

Like I said the USA is the one who created darknet as a Frankenstein monster. Also VPN has nothing to do with darknet. VPN is a centralized anonimizer while darknet is decentralized.

[Leo Gura]

@FlowerNote Have you not heard of how the Feds hijacked the entire Tor network for a few days in order to take down darknet markets like SilkRoad and AlphaBay?

There's always loopholes and workarounds. It's just a matter of resources.

Every single major darknet market operator has been caught, even when they are in other countries. Because no decent government can allow darknet markets to exist.

[FlowerNote]

@Leo Gura They might have put the markets offline with some DDOS attack, but the operators can't be caught by darknet security weakness I believe, only because of their own security mistakes. If you say otherwise I'd love to see an article where it's stated that the operators got identified through the hijacking of the Tor network. I remember seeing an article about a pedo ring operating on darknet which never got caught because of how secure they were. And there were probably a lot of FBI agents on their neck. but I cant find the article rn.

[Leo Gura]

13 minutes ago, FlowerNote said:

@Leo Gura If you say otherwise I'd love to see an article where it's stated that the operators got identified through the hijacking of the Tor network.

This is old news. You're years late to the party:

https://pando.com/2014/12/19/tor-founder-warns-that-threatened-attack-on-network-could-be-really-bad-allowing-traffic-to-be-hijacked/

https://threatpost.com/researchers-demonstrate-tor-network-hijack-method-102411/75793/

[FlowerNote]

Damn I didn't know that.

[electroBeam]

50 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Don't be so sure about that. Feds could build a system to track of VPNs.

No you're completely inaccurate in your assertions about the government being able to track VPNs. Or track any other aspect of their citizens. Tracking people with high granularity, as envisioned by George Orwell is completely impossible for a democratic government to do. And as for the authoritarian once, authoritarianism isn't a sustainable way to run a country and will eventually be wiped out and implode on itself. 

Its a game of cat chasing the mouse. The cat NEVER wins, and likewise so doesn't the mouse. The cat eventually gets the mouse every time BUT there are always more mice, and the government can't fully eliminate all mice. 

 

The Fed's (democratic nations) own regulation prevents them from defeating all of the mice. The feds must obey privacy laws, entrapment limitations, rights of citizens, wiretapping laws, etc. Otherwise their evidence gets thrown out in court. 

So the criminals always have the freedom to overcome the law for a period of time. And there will always be more mice, and creative ways of overcoming the system. 

Darknet will be taken down eventually, but will be replaced by an even more sophisticated and intelligent dark net. Darknet v2. Before darknet don't forget, darket had a predecessor. criminals would put viruses on computers of civilians, and then use those viruses to transfer messages in an anonymous way. The feds finally got on top of that, but as soon as they did darknet came out.

There are already alternatives to Tor being developed right now that are far more anonymous that Tor. 

 

And in countries (like China and Singapore) where their government doesn't allow the freedom necessary for criminals to create their fringe systems (privacy laws, entrapment, wire tapping, etc), there is much less crime that happens, but at the expense of lack of human rights and dissatisfied civilians. And eventually this lack of freedom will bite them in the buttocks, in all areas, just like what we are seeing now with China being alienated from large portions of the world. 

Edited August 3, 2020 by electroBeam

[Leo Gura]

13 minutes ago, electroBeam said:

The feds must obey privacy laws, wiretapping laws, etc. Otherwise their evidence gets thrown out in court.

Ahahahahaha...

You're joking, right?

The NSA is spying on EVERYONE with no accountability. This is already the case. There are no wiretapping or privacy laws for them. And if you spy on someone long enough, you will catch them doing something wrong.

The NSA has a log of every porn site you visited right now in their database. They probably even have copies of the porn you downloaded on their servers. They certainly have copies of every email and text message you've ever sent or received.

But like I said, there will always be criminals and black markets. The only point that matters is that they will never be allowed go mainstream.

[Parththakkar12]

18 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The NSA is spying on EVERYONE with no accountability. This is already the case. There are no wiretapping or privacy laws for them. And if you spy on someone long enough, you will catch them doing something wrong.

They aren't invincible. When (not if, when) the dollar falls, then we'll see who's talking.

[electroBeam]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The NSA has a log of every porn site you visited right now in their database. They probably even have copies of the porn you downloaded on their servers. They certainly have copies of every email and text message you've ever sent or received.

No hahahaha. No its not as granular as that. Google does, but not the NSA. That's why the NSA wants back doors to google's servers.

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The NSA is spying on EVERYONE with no accountability.

The US != the world. Every government is different, just because the NSA does it doesn't mean 'my' NSA does. That's not suppose to happen by law. That's only happening because the US is corrupt. And of course that corruption wont last long, because it eventually bites them in the ass. Citizens rebel, relationships with other countries deteriorate, etc. So its only time till the NSA's corruption will close shop. 

And even then, we're talking about ordinary criminals here, not international agents. Criminals get prosecuted through the court, and the court has rules on what is considered decent evidence. You can't just be wiretapped or the NSA entering your premises and getting evidence without a warrant. 

So I can pretty much grow weed in my house thanks to the freedoms, rights and regulations provided to me by the government(if I was living in the US).

 

17 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

But like I said, there will always be criminals and black markets. The only point that matters is that they will never be allowed go mainstream.

Of course the government will not allow the enemy to go mainstream. If the US can't even allow China to go mainstream, then good luck to its citizens that go against it. 

but overcoming regulation and laws through finding loopholes will always be mainstream. Meth and piracy are pretty mainstream and always will be. There will be highs and lows depending on what level the feds or criminals are up to, but it will always be there. Of course it will never be 'accepted' by the government, but it will be used by a wide range of people. 

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, electroBeam said:

The US != the world.

The NSA spies on foreigners even more than Americans.

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You can't just be wiretapped or the NSA entering your premises and getting evidence without a warrant. 

They will just use your data for the basis of the warrant and then find whatever you're hiding.

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So I can pretty much grow weed in my house thanks

I can grow weed in my house thanks to Las Vegas legalization of weed

But I don't care for weed so I never exercise this right.

[Heart of Space]

16 minutes ago, Parththakkar12 said:

They aren't invincible. When (not if, when) the dollar falls, then we'll see who's talking.

The dollar inflating has absolutely nothing to do with the NSA.  If the dollar falls to zero it will not affect the NSA 0.1%

[electroBeam]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The NSA spies on foreigners even more than Americans.

Sure but the US isn't my government and therefore can't fuck me in the ass as well as it could if I was a US citizen. For it to fuck me in the ass, it would have to invade and fully conquer my country. And the government can't extradite anyone. It can't extradite russians or north koreans and even Chinese now. And when Trump fully alienates all of his allies(which he's doing a fabulous job at by the way), he wont be able to extradite me in my cosy democratic country either

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

They will just use your data for the basis of the warrant and then find whatever you're hiding.

If the court was corrupt enough to allow wiretaps and other illegal means to get a warrant, you wouldn't be living in the US, you would be living in China. That's China. That's what such a country looks like. Your country feels very different to china, and its because your government follows through on your rights as a citizen. The alternative would make a very different looking country. 

If your government really could do the stuff you're suggesting, and get away with it, you'd find yourself in a very different country. Corrupt healthcare statistics, lower wage for workers, lack of presidential nominees, much more concentrated distribution of wealth(like brazil), lack of power to protest, write petitions that do anything, lack of media coverage and influence, etc. Because absolute power corrupts absolutely, and if the government had the power to get a warrant through illegal means, they would use that power for a hell of a lot more than finding drugs in your house. They would use it to limit your democratic freedoms, lower your wage, and increase their wealth. 

 

 

[diamondpenguin]

36 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The NSA spies on foreigners even more than Americans.

They will just use your data for the basis of the warrant and then find whatever you're hiding.

I can grow weed in my house thanks to Las Vegas legalization of weed

But I don't care for weed so I never exercise this right.

Same, on the west coast weed is legal almost everywhere. Like where I live in oregon stoners are everywhere. I used to get smoke weed a lot. But I stopped because it killed my motivation. So I was like fuck this and have been progressing my life. 

[diamondpenguin]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Ahahahahaha...

You're joking, right?

The NSA is spying on EVERYONE with no accountability. This is already the case. There are no wiretapping or privacy laws for them. And if you spy on someone long enough, you will catch them doing something wrong.

The NSA has a log of every porn site you visited right now in their database. They probably even have copies of the porn you downloaded on their servers. They certainly have copies of every email and text message you've ever sent or received.

But like I said, there will always be criminals and black markets. The only point that matters is that they will never be allowed go mainstream.

Do they still have it downloaded if you go incognito? Or is that just a farce? I've always had a feeling that incognito is a lie. 

 

Edited August 3, 2020 by diamondpenguin

[Parththakkar12]

1 hour ago, Heart of Space said:

The dollar inflating has absolutely nothing to do with the NSA.  If the dollar falls to zero it will not affect the NSA 0.1%

Ok fine. Lets just say they're able to continue their spying activities. How will they enforce any 'breaking of laws'? Will there even be a force to use?

They will get very crippled after the collapse. They are beatable. You just gotta strike when the iron is hot.

Edited August 3, 2020 by Parththakkar12