Posted July 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said: @Epikur It is true that the more developed humans become the less babies they pump out. But this is actually a good thing. Yes maybe. Depends on the context I guess. My theory was if somebody in the forum has a baby he or she may become more conservative. I think they would have more skin in the game. Quote Parental advice like “Look both ways before you cross the street,” or “Don’t run with scissors,” can be considered examples of a certain perspective that portrays the world as a dangerous place—a perspective parents might use to instill caution in their children. Some evidence supports the idea that socially and morally conservative values may arise from perceived threats or danger, says Nicholas Kerry, a PhD student in the Tulane University School of Science and Engineering. https://www.futurity.org/parents-conservative-1871772/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 6, 2020 28 minutes ago, Epikur said: he or she may become more conservative. Well, conservativism is fundamentally grounded in fear. And if you are anal about protecting your baby, you may fall into that trap. That's called selfishness. You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said: Well, conservativism is fundamentally grounded in fear. And if you are anal about protecting your baby, you may fall into that trap. That's called selfishness. Isn't "selfishness" the reason why most people make children? Without it we would not exist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 6, 2020 8 minutes ago, Epikur said: Isn't "selfishness" the reason why most people make children? Without it we would not exist. Maybe, but selfishness comes in many degrees. Mild selfishness is healthy and important. You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 6, 2020 27 minutes ago, Leo Gura said: Maybe, but selfishness comes in many degrees. Mild selfishness is healthy and important. I wonder what would happen if we in the forum did a selftest. Make 3 kids and see what changes. Many would go little bit down vertically on the maslow's pyramide but may go horizontally on some stages. I think the horizontal expansion could be added on the maslow's pyramide. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 6, 2020 @Epikur i have a kid and I’m 100% not a conservative Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 6, 2020 6 minutes ago, Jennjenn said: @Epikur i have a kid and I’m 100% not a conservative Wouldn't you be more "fearful" that something bad happens to your kid? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 6, 2020 @Robi Steel If you caught in the game you aint gotta chance in this joint, truth. Bias be reinforcing themselves up around here. Take it as a lesson, There ain't no changing nobody , so don't try, don't debate, don't convince, simply direct attention. The game of competition/attraction is one and the same, it's possible to stay above the over-rationality/naivety of gamers, but you gotta disconnect/detach and know your agenda this place full of ignorance, thinking the games real and all, wake up bitches Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) @Robi Steel You told that you are from germany. So you already live in stage green society. I believe Germany already has free health care at the point of service, free college/education, comparitively strong social safety nets, and comparatively high wages with low income inequality etc. So your major problems seems to be unchecked immigration. Which is the excess of stage green society. Whereas American society doesn't free health care, living wage and free college. You might have taken left wing ideology for granted as you are already living in stage green society. So, now you are reacting against stage green (left-wing) ideologies. That's why you prefer trump. Where as Americans don't have these So, they support left wing progressives who are fighting for medicare for all, free college, fair wages etc. Bottom line is you are reacting against excess of stage green and progressives are reacting against excess of stage orange. Edited July 6, 2020 by Kailash Bhattarai Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 6, 2020 3 hours ago, Florian said: LOL this is literally where I live can you summarize what these people are saying? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) @Kailash Bhattarai no the problem is, most germans are orange/blue they like the status quo and they love their piggy bank -which is why they never will be fully orange or impersonate the orange red of the us american culture the same way - they have a problem with excessive hedonism. and the main problem is actually mainly an east west problem. denazification did not happen that much in the east and they also had a one party democracy over years, were systemically spied on and after the wall went down most smart young people went to the west - and now some of the people who maybe even spied on their neighbors even have to coap with people from other countries being welcomed and getting supported. its not as rosy as they wished for an therefore: nationalism. but a lot of people from the west don’t want that while some conservatives and nazis waited for the chance - it’s utterly stupid they don’t see the global problematic and are scared away by socialistic ideas because they lived in a social dictatorship. so actually germans invented gas chambers and spying out their people, but the walls were a french, russian, british, us american invention. (and please people, just because an invention is out and seems like a solution, you don’t have to use it, might be there are far better technologies). Edited July 6, 2020 by remember Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 6, 2020 2 hours ago, remember said: @Kailash Bhattarai no the problem is, most germans are orange/blue they like the status quo and they love their piggy bank -which is why they never will be fully orange or impersonate the orange red of the us american culture the same way - they have a problem with excessive hedonism. and the main problem is actually mainly an east west problem. denazification did not happen that much in the east and they also had a one party democracy over years, were systemically spied on and after the wall went down most smart young people went to the west - and now some of the people who maybe even spied on their neighbors even have to coap with people from other countries being welcomed and getting supported. its not as rosy as they wished for an therefore: nationalism. but a lot of people from the west don’t want that while some conservatives and nazis waited for the chance - it’s utterly stupid they don’t see the global problematic and are scared away by socialistic ideas because they lived in a social dictatorship. so actually germans invented gas chambers and spying out their people, but the walls were a french, russian, british, us american invention. (and please people, just because an invention is out and seems like a solution, you don’t have to use it, might be there are far better technologies). Really? I didn't know much about people's spiral stage. But acutally the government seems green to me. They were the first to introduce sustainable development and they are provided with free health care, fair wages and free college. I would love to hear more about this from you though? BTW are you german? What's your nationality? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Kailash Bhattarai said: Really? I didn't know much about people's spiral stage. But acutally the government seems green to me. They were the first to introduce sustainable development and they are provided with free health care, fair wages and free college. I would love to hear more about this from you though? BTW are you german? What's your nationality? government is blue-orange-green as we have multiple party democracy, conservatives are sometimes also a bit green because they also see the progress aspect and are blue in the health sector and understand a bit what the middle class wants. in a lot of aspects we have conservative regionalism which can still be love without being nationalistic about it. smaller countries in europe like the netherlands have been earlier on wind energy for example - germany had a subventionating politic towards green energy for a while which pushed developments in that direction. yes mh german, too. but i see myself more as european. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 6, 2020 I wonder how many radical islamists you would be able to find if you actually tried to find one, spoke to the people, rather than just hate on them. There are some very conscious muslims out there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 6, 2020 28 minutes ago, bejapuskas said: I wonder how many radical islamists you would be able to find if you actually tried to find one, spoke to the people, rather than just hate on them. There are some very conscious muslims out there. Depends how you define radical. There are research where muslims in the world answer some questions. From that you might find answers. Needs little bit time with google. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 6, 2020 12 hours ago, Leo Gura said: @Epikur It is true that the more developed humans become the less babies they pump out. But this is actually a good thing. Why do you think it is a good thing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 6, 2020 30 minutes ago, docs20 said: Why do you think it is a good thing? Decreases overpopulation and frees up creative output. Intrinsic joy is revealed in the marriage of meaning and being. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 6, 2020 @Robi Steel I'm surprised to find Trump supporters on this forum. How did you discover actualized.org? What value do you find here? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
