Husseinisdoingfine

Is the system of Government in place a reflection of the value system of the populace

20 posts in this topic

If the people live in an autocratic dictatorship, is that a reflection of the populace always? 

Now, on to the U.S. :

The United States is a two party state, with both parties being controlled by right wing neo liberal types that get donations from big corporations. The people who buy the politicians also own the media, the media who encourage people to keep this system afloat.

Is all of this just a reflection of the value system of the average American? What is the operating system of Americans?


''To be happy we must not be too concerned with others''.

Albert Camus

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
53 minutes ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Is all of this just a reflection of the value system of the average American? What is the operating system of Americans?

Its a reflection of sloth. The majority of voters aren't property owners nor net tax payers as in, they take more then they pay. If that's not bad enough, they still run to the government for more free shit. 

Quote

 Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says she can't afford D.C. rent until she gets her first paycheck

https://mashable.com/article/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-washington-dc-rent/?europe=true

 

AOC is an example of parasitic. In office and brings incompetence to the government. Someone who cannot afford RENT yet is going to preach about how things should run? Cannot balance her budget and this person is in office? This is clown world. 

Edited by Onemanwolfpac

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

@Onemanwolfpac AOC is a wonderful politician who is making progressive ideas and socialism a more mainstream and reachable reality in America, the country once known for the red scare. And you're going to berate her for being of a lower class background and not being able to afford rent in expensive (Washington) dc. I live in Maryland, and simply if a house is some miles closer to dc, it becomes so much more expensive, even if it's still in Maryland.


''To be happy we must not be too concerned with others''.

Albert Camus

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

yeah, the government is a reflection of the living conditions and level of consciousness of the society . 

to put it simply... pretty much stage orange. you should def watch leo's last video... one of my faves. very deep political and historical analysis. Almost makes stage green political analysis like kulinski or dore seem as silly as sean hannity. 

Also, AOC is so necessary in our current political system. She brings a well needed perspective to the table. In terms of levels of consciousness, she is one of the most competent in congress. @Onemanwolfpac

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

If the people live in an autocratic dictatorship, is that a reflection of the populace always? 

Now, on to the U.S. :

The United States is a two party state, with both parties being controlled by right wing neo liberal types that get donations from big corporations. The people who buy the politicians also own the media, the media who encourage people to keep this system afloat.

Is all of this just a reflection of the value system of the average American? What is the operating system of Americans?

Yes but it's a reflection of who they are and the context they are. Look at North vs South Korea.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

@Onemanwolfpac AOC is a wonderful politician who is making progressive ideas and socialism a more mainstream and reachable reality in America, the country once known for the red scare. And you're going to berate her for being of a lower class background and not being able to afford rent in expensive (Washington) dc. I live in Maryland, and simply if a house is some miles closer to dc, it becomes so much more expensive, even if it's still in Maryland.

She cannot afford to pay rent but we are to follow her leading when she displayed incompetence? 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
20 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Is all of this just a reflection of the value system of the average American? What is the operating system of Americans?

Yes, but the mirror is never straight forward. Imagine you are a kid in school and you are being bullied. You would think that if you keep to yourself, never bother anyone and act very nicely then you would get the same treatment in return, but what you'll actually get is the opposite: even more bullying. The bulling is a reflection of you having boundary weakness and unless you fix that the reflection you get from the external world will not change either.

I think the current system is a reflection of fear, apathy, conformity, materialism. General low consciousness i guess.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
20 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

If the people live in an autocratic dictatorship, is that a reflection of the populace always? 

Now, on to the U.S. :

The United States is a two party state, with both parties being controlled by right wing neo liberal types that get donations from big corporations. The people who buy the politicians also own the media, the media who encourage people to keep this system afloat.

Is all of this just a reflection of the value system of the average American? What is the operating system of Americans?

Yes, this is one of the biggest things to learn if you want to truly grasp politics, and something I feel a lot of progressive/idealistic types don’t understand (yet.)

So yeah, you’re right - the reason why neoliberalism is so hard to dislodge in America is because too many people secretly think *theyll* be the CEO one day and hence benefit from lower taxes on rich people. The idea that not everyone can be a millionaire doesn’t occur to a lot of people.

Still, I see things are changing. The pandemic and recent protests have shown a lot of people the deep flaws of the system that are in need of radical changing. The republic of CHAZ is even a microcosm of the sort of society that will begin to manifest over time.

 

13 hours ago, Onemanwolfpac said:

She cannot afford to pay rent but we are to follow her leading when she displayed incompetence? 

This isn’t an argument against her. A lot of people can’t afford rent. In fact it proves that American democracy is operating as intended - of the people, for the people, by the people. In fact, even further, expecting every politician to be rich is to set your government up for corruption from moneyed interests. Having working-class politicians is a great thing for conscious politics.


“All you need is Love” - John Lennon

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 21/06/2020 at 7:17 PM, louhad said:

 

Also, AOC is so necessary in our current political system. She brings a well needed perspective to the table. In terms of levels of consciousness, she is one of the most competent in congress. @Onemanwolfpac

That is absolutely hilarious that, most competent cannot afford rent yet, the people are supposed to listen. The height of stupidity. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 hours ago, Apparition of Jack said:

This isn’t an argument against her. A lot of people can’t afford rent. In fact it proves that American democracy is operating as intended - of the people, for the people, by the people. In fact, even further, expecting every politician to be rich is to set your government up for corruption from moneyed interests. Having working-class politicians is a great thing for conscious politics.

You don't understand economics. 

If she is not a net tax payer nor a property owner, she's using more than she puts in. And with said parasitism, she doesn't stop there. Vote for more free shit. She puts out nonsense about children drinking out of toilets. The level of incompetence comes in her own irresponsibility and inability to pay rent. Yet, someone who is fiscally irresponsible is a fitting candidate in modern politics and government. Gross! 

Edited by Onemanwolfpac

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

@Onemanwolfpac AOC is one of the highest conscious members of U.S. congress. She is deep green and beginning to transition into Yellow as expressed through her own increasingly systemic views.   

Criticizing AOC from below is very different than criticizing AOC from above. From below, she will seem stupid and incompetent. 

If you want to broaden and deepen your understandings in this area, I would recommend watching Anand Giridharadas. He is also at a high conscious level, yet he doesn’t trigger people with green resistance like AOC does. AOC is more confrontational than Anand. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 

1 hour ago, Onemanwolfpac said:

That is absolutely hilarious that, most competent cannot afford rent yet, the people are supposed to listen. The height of stupidity. 

lol, based on her policy proposals and level of consciousness, she is def one of the most competent on those facets. She will be remembered as one of the most important people in congress for our era. 

Based on your comments though... I think green may be goin a bit over your head homie. I wish you good luck. try to keep an open mind and do some yoga or somethin'... I just get the vibe you might got some body tightness... 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

@Serotoninluv also, I feel like stage green has some level of systemic understanding. For example, many greenies that I know have very complex understandings of structures such as systemic racism, healthcare, and government. 

I think that she has a long way to go before getting to yellow. Just her overall essence is so green haha. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

@louhad I would agree that green can have some systemic thinking, similar to how they can have some understanding of relativitity, in particular moral relativity. My impression is that AOC is green-centered, yet in some of her longer in-depth interviews she gets into how things like wealth inequality, health care, education, politics, corporate lobbyists, climate change etc. all all inter-related within one system. Perhaps these are just some flashes of her potential. . . To me, this is different than green-centered Bernie. He usually talks about these issues as separate categories. I’ve also seen some maturity in how she relates to white supremecists. She usually has a visceral reaction and prone to demonizing the other, yet I’ve also seen her speak with some detached understanding that these youths have been conditioned this way and are not well. She has suggested support and education programs that can help them get their lives back on track. Although, I suppose this could still be green - a mature, empathetic form of green. 

Part of the problem is that there are so few yellow-level people in politics. There is no one to help pull the greenies up. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 

5 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

 To me, this is different than green-centered Bernie. He usually talks about these issues as separate categories. 

 

Hmm, that is a good point Bernie does talk about them in a less integrated fashion now that I think about it. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 6/21/2020 at 8:56 PM, Onemanwolfpac said:

She cannot afford to pay rent but we are to follow her leading when she displayed incompetence? 

Maybe she is financial irresponsible, I haven't researched her in depth so I honestly don't know. But going solely off the link you provided I'm not seeing any incompetence on her part but I am questioning your reading comprehension and/or economic theories. You are saying she can't pay rent (period); which I agree could be a bad sign, but lets look at what your link actually said:

Quote

Can't afford to move into a D.C. apartment until she gets paid as a congresswoman.That won't be until January.

Nothing in the article says she can't pay her current rent, that her current budget isn't balanced, or that she won't be able to afford her future rent or balance her future budgets, or is doing anything financial irresponsible. If anything your article implies the opposite that she is affording her current rent, has planed for the transition period "squirreling away and then hoping that gets me to January", and will afford a DC rent once she starts a DC job. What she can't is pay her future (January) rent with her current (June) income, leading to an awkward transitional period in between.  

So, not moving until you can afford to move is incompetent and parasitic now? That actually sounds like a completely common sense, competent and non-parasitic, budget conscious thing to do.  l. You are criticizing her for being unable to pay rent that is literally not hers (yet).  Please do continue to explain to me how I should base people ability to pay rent not on their actual rent but on the hypothetical rent of a place they don't actually live or pay rent in yet. Using your logical equifax should preemptive lower my credit score today because I can't pay today for things I know I will buy in 2021.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Alright guys, can we stop debating some stupid comment someone made about AOC and answer my question?

The question being, since America is a two party state with both parties being controlled by wealthy elites who fund to make sure really moderate candidates get elected who do the bidding of these wealthy elites, what does that say about the value systems Americans are working with?


''To be happy we must not be too concerned with others''.

Albert Camus

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, louhad said:

@Husseinisdoingfine

1. stage orange center of gravity

2. we are not educated to know how government works. 

Bingo


''To be happy we must not be too concerned with others''.

Albert Camus

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now