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Death toll 100k, 40 million jobless

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100,000 death toll and 40 million jobless figures due to corona of course

articles:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/28/business/unemployment-stock-market-coronavirus.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/100000-deaths-american-coronavirus/

I hope all of you are safe, but I have a question.

Is this an any way Trump's fault?

Referring to the high death toll, is it due to poor leadership from the White house? I really can't bring myself to blame China, simply because countries that border China are not suffering near the the extent that this country is, and I feel as if blaming China is just a way to deflect blame from ourselves as to not take responsibility. Note, I'm coming at this from bias, as I for one support China and the CPC.

Would a different President have handled this better?

Meme showing America's poor response:

 

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Trump delayed the whole process 

And was slow to enforce the lockdown. Italy managed it very well. 

 


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54 minutes ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Would a different President have handled this better?

In hopes of keeping this thread as short as it needs to be, I'd be inclined to say the answer is yes.


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24 minutes ago, Entity said:

AS always, thread close (lockdown :D) in 3, 2 ,1 ...

This is actually a fairly reasonable post talking about factual data.

 

2 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Is this an any way Trump's fault?


While Trump's response as a whole was very late and underwhelming, he shouldn't have all the blame. It's important to remember that America is (supposedly) a democracy. While he didn't win the popular vote, the overall level of consciousness of the country is still that that they had a system that allowed him to become elected.

So of course, you still have the Trumpists and Libertarians making it harder to respond to the pandemic.

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2 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Would a different President have handled this better?

Nah. The guy even came up with a self-tested solution to covid 

he's defo injecting something


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Would a different President have handled this better?

To me, it seems like he could have done a much better job in the beginning by not downplaying it as much as he did. Yet half the government was agreeing with what he did - so it is hard to blame it on just one person. 

We really don't know what other presidents would have done and there are so many unknowns that you can't be so definitively positive of one side or the other. 

Also, we are still in the middle of it, in a year or two it will be easier to assess.  

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3 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Would a different President have handled this better?

Some slightly better, some worse. This question itself is stuck in a reality plane that believes our government and Presidents actually care about their citizens.

They don't. They haven't since you were born. Some just present themselves better than others.. but more or less, the same shit show goes on. 

There is freedom in realizing this. A tremendous amount of energy is wasted in people debating within the circus of politics simply because they don't realize it's all a game/illusion. Wake up Actualized.org ❤️ 

 

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2 hours ago, Preety_India said:

 

Trump delayed the whole process 

And was slow to enforce the lockdown. Italy managed it very well. 

 

Really? They have a higher Death Rate/Million People than the US as of now.  How do you come to that conclusion?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ 

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@SerpaeTetra

Nobody can really control the death toll ultimately. And death toll has nothing to with how a system or country put their efforts in dealing with a crisis. 

For example India has a characteristically low death rate than other countries. Does this mean that the Indian government has put in a lot of effort in controlling or fixing the situation. Not at all. In fact we don't even have testing kits. We're just fortunate that we have low cases and that we decided to quickly enforce the lockdown just after Italy. So Italy served as a Guinea pig to us. Had Coronavirus instantly spread in India before spreading in Italy, we would have seen a huge rise in the death toll, because we just do not have enough hospitals or anything in the hospitals to deal with something like this. 

If you look at how Italy handled the crisis, they took stringent measures, much more than any country in the world. And being a rather small country, they put in lot of effort into enforcing a nationwide lockdown on a military scale. 

In the US however, people are out on the streets arguing about the lockdown, freely aggregating in groups, even blaming nurses and medical staff. 

There's a serious lacuna in the US system. I don't know how nobody sees it. 

 

 


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I think certain countries are easier to manage in this type of situation, most likely dependent on where they are in the spiral. For countries that are more at blue they are more likely to listen to their government directly even if it's through force, for countries like Norway and Germany who are more green they're likely to look to the greater good and voluntarily lockdown, this also happened in Sweden where there was no official lockdown but a lot of people chose to do it. 

Your problem comes with dominant unhealthy orange countries like America and UK to a slightly lesser extent, this idea of staunch individualism has meant that people see it as a taking away of their rights to be asked to stay at home. Living in the UK I have some sympathy for Johnson because a lot of British people wouldn't have locked down for the greater good voluntarily but at the same time would have felt oppressed if they were told they had to. (note that many would lockdown voluntarily but the minority that wouldn't is enough to cause problems) 

So it is probably the most difficult situation you could have as a leader of a country in this situation, so a strong, respected but reasonable and diplomatic leader is needed to manage it. America was going to have a hard time regardless of leader, but I would say Trump contributed to making a bad situation worse, probably just due to incompetence and not fully understanding the situation, and also being genuinely concerned with the election coming up. I don't think he has the empathy to be motivated to put all the bullshit aside and offer a bipartisan approach. I'm pretty sure Obama would've done a better job considering he was predicting something like this happening in 2015. George W probably would've have as well 

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I wonder how much this is going to affect the capitalism/socialism debate


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