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Why is there such a resurgence of the far right?

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I'm noting a lot on the internet, as well as how people are voting in elections, far right people in Europe and the American continent are getting elected, some people who go as far as to deny the holocaust. I'm wondering, according to spiral dynamics we should be past that, or is it an ego backlash?

 

I'm also noticing a lot of far right people on platforms such as YouTube. An infamous example is Lauren Southern, who is peddling the 'great replacement theory'. Other people such as Paul Joseph  Watson, Stephan Molneayx, etc...

I think the resurgence is the fault of the internt.


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Thomas Piketty, the French economist gives a good explanation and reasoning of why these tendencies are reinforced in a preview of his new book Capital and Ideology, 2020:

 

 

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From an SD perspective I think it's a reaction to behaviours of orangesque leaders in mostly developed countries that blue sees as pathological and a existential threat to their way of life and experiencing of reality in their respective countries (for example the reaction to the prospect of not being a majority ethnic group in a country). 

Edited by Milos Uzelac

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@Husseinisdoingfine
Simply because globalism is causing a lot of suffering and people are fed up with it. Humanity is simply not ready for globalism to work well.
The right is obviously the only ones who are against it. Also the left is corrupt to it's core, it's really sad to see as a leftist myself. Not to say that the right is not corrupt, but it's no comparison really...
What does the left do? Invent electric cars that don't even really help the environment in the end? Everything they do is useless and does the exact opposite of what it's supposed to do and that's exactly because they are corrupt.

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@LaucherJunge Agreed. "Far right" is emerging as a response to imbalances in the opposite direction. 

I believe people who still think in terms of left/right are stuck in old paradigm ways of thinking. The truth has infinite nuance that will never be revealed with ideological thinking. 

Actualized.org is stuck in this old paradigm just like most people. 

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As a born and raised Austrian now living in the USA, its easy to see why Austrians are turning more exclusive and nationalistic. 

My Grandpa was a Nazi Soldier, but he had no choice. And to rationalize his agenda, he needed to find hate for the people he had to fight.

Today, Austria has a very young and nationalistic Chancellor Sebastian Kurz. And from what I am told by family members, he has been good for the people. He is for the Austrian People. Why? Because hes the Chancellor of Austria, obviously.

Now that is where it gets tricky. You see in the last decade, after the many terrorist attacks, and the waves of millions of refugees coming through the country of only 9 million, it has changed opinions and views. I've seen how whole buildings have turned into homes for refugees, how people and places lost their culture and personality, and I've been told stories from military at the border, that they had to let people in, and even though they matched the exact description of known terrorists, if their name was different, they were not allowed to stop them. So there are many negatives that have happened by being so open and inclusive to all people. 

Personally, lets erase borders and let people go where ever they choose. The World is Home. But that would most likely cause greater issues.  

So I understand why Austrian voters would lean towards someone that wants to protect their values and traditions. 

And I understand why Austrian voters would lean towards someone that wants to protect and help all people from all nations. 

But I found a good balance in Bali, Indonesia, in a town called Ubud. They don't allow Mosques or Churches to be build there, and you wont find a McDonalds or any corporations except for one Starbucks. And without them restricting foreign influence, their amazing Hindu culture would not be as it is. 

Fun Fact: Austria started WW1 and WW2 ... and we are working hard on the 3rd, trust me, its premiering soon. :) 


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Because the world is rapidly evolving but people are stubborn and refuse to evovle their ways of thinking to adapt to the change.

It's a form of denial of reality. A form of sticking one's head in the sand by yelling loudly and blaming others. People wish for a return to good old times which were never that good and which can never return. But they can stomach hearing that. So they keep hittinf their heads against the wall.

And in the meantime government becomes stuck and ineffective. Effective gov requires facing tough truths head on.


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1 hour ago, DivineSoda said:

@LaucherJunge Agreed. "Far right" is emerging as a response to imbalances in the opposite direction. 

I believe people who still think in terms of left/right are stuck in old paradigm ways of thinking. The truth has infinite nuance that will never be revealed with ideological thinking. 

Actualized.org is stuck in this old paradigm just like most people. 

Agreed. 


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It's not the first time a far-right emerges. It has happened in the past with Margaret Thatcher, etc.

A common pattern in the history.

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48 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

People wish for a return to good old times which were never that good and which can never return.

I just don't wanna end up in The Gulag Archipelago.

Conservatives are OK. Liberals are also OK. The left is not OK.


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Another thing is highly effective use of social media, this was instrumental in getting trump elected and the brexit vote (there's a film on Netflix about it).

Because its such a new media a lot of older voters who previously weren't exposed to it, don't understand the amount of fake or alt news that is published. The fact that they're calling this the post-truth age is very telling. Campaigns play on this very well to the extent of astro turfing, which is setting up fake grass roots movements which then lead to protests that point blank wouldn't have happened without social media. 

Obama was the first one to really use it to get elected but I think the strategies have evolved and gone in crazy directions. This is not to say that there werent people that were unhappy but I think they found a way to really energise them and stoke the fires with fear and hate. 

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3 hours ago, The Don said:

I just don't wanna end up in The Gulag Archipelago.

Conservatives are OK. Liberals are also OK. The left is not OK.

That's a scare tactic, to say all socialists and communists want to install gulags.


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@The Don There is a current, conservative supported and enforced, and liberal, mostly rhetorical criticised, Gulag Archipelago in the U. S. it's called the south-eastern penitentiary system of the U. S. (of the Republican red states crucial for their majority white vote via voter suppression in them) stacked up with, with almost no due-process mostly black prisoners for non-violent crime, like drug possession or trafficking in their communities, that were often caught as teenagers age and sentenced for a majority part of their life. 

These sentences in fact don't have often anything to do with the severity of their crimes, but are a normalised cover for having often cheap (23 cents an hour) almost free life time labor for various corporations that deploy it for manufacturing of their products (for example 23 cents an hour meat processing for shipping to McDonald's drive through's). All this under the guise of the 60's and 70's drug war crackdown that coincidently started with the uprising of black communities during civil rights movement and was for the most part exclusively directed at stopping flow of low quality drugs like crack cocaine that mostly circulated in the impoverished black communities, while the more expensive purer cocaine habit which was enjoyed in middle class white communities was often lended a pass and excused by the drug combat departments of the FBI, ATF and police.

These black, often men and teenagers, were subsequently caught and incercareted for life, for these non-violent crime offense, and the number of black men incarcerated has quadrupled for example under the more "liberal" new Democrat Clinton in the 90's as well under the guise of the drug war but in fact for corporations to have more profitable free labor in these prison complex supply chains disporportnately overfilled with blacks and latinex people, most critically in the south-eastern region of the U. S. in Republican red states such as Florida for example in order for them to retain a majority Republican vote for Republican governors there by means of black voter suppression through unsupervised and opportunist legalist discourse means and the fact that prisoners in the U.S. can't cast a vote (for example the presidential election of was decided in favor of Bush Junior  against Al Gore in Florida in the 2000s election, with a combination of election vote count fraud, black voter suppression and with the help of special interest nepotism of the older brother Jeb Bush being the governor of Florida at that time and enabling all this, allowing Bush to win by the margin of 700 votes in that state and subsequently the presidency). 

So the prison system complexes a Gulag Archipelago in its intention, exists today within the U. S. states not just in Chinese Uighur re-education camps in the North-western autonomous province of Xinjiang or partly in South-Eastern Foxcon Apple and IPhone phone parts manufacturing giant, with 500 thousand unprotected employees, factories or sweatshop and textile factories workers, of clothes a lot of us now wear, from China, and it is also present in part in the U. S. through minority incarceration system, enabled by a biased and special interest controlled legal system in them. Its aim also primarily now is to have free minority group labor for as part of products for corporations, that pay them almost nothing (23 cents an hour amounts to free labor) and that sell them to the wider market for yours or my choice based consumption. 

So you have a Gulag archipelago of mostly black people, incarcerated often with out proper due-process for almost their whole life for often non-violent offenses, through the prison system complex, to various degrees depending on different political party majority in different U. S. states, in a country where that is de jure à constituon libéral democracy. 

This shows that Gulag Aprchipelago, as an exclusively USSR or "left" spectrum invention or bussiness is an illogical and untruthful proposition and that it is purely an ideological construct and tool of different elites in power to blame game and shift blame exclusively to their geopolitical oponents who are in clash with their profit expansion interests to masquerade and distract from their tensions and structural stability imbalance contratidiction created problems at their home country. 

 

Edited by Milos Uzelac

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3 hours ago, Consept said:

 

Because its such a new media a lot of older voters who previously weren't exposed to it, don't understand the amount of fake or alt news that is published. The fact that they're calling this the post-truth age is very telling. Campaigns play on this very well to the extent of astro turfing, which is setting up fake grass roots movements which then lead to protests that point blank wouldn't have happened without social media. 

Great point, à lot unnecessary intergenerational political tensions, conflicts and disagreements, that can be consciously avoided, are in regards to fragmented, hyperproduced and distilled unverified information fro. differing sources that are partially intended cause confusion among the various targeted demographics of population can be explained this way,this comment I found in a section from a YT uploaded documentary by the filmmaker Adam Curtis sums it up:

"The whole internet thing about algorithms and putting people into bubbles where they only see and speak to like minded people makes alot of sense. Hence why we don't see protests anymore. Your message or angst will never get out as you are always preaching to the converted. A theory that I have witnessed amongst friends and colleagues who are in the same sort of bubbles and only ever speak to like minded people. Control people by putting them in bubbles is very disturbing."

The documentary is called HyperNormalisation from 2016 and it detaills, in Kurtises research and opinion, the key historical moments that enabled and founded policies by the managers of globalization, the methods and final aims of governing and managing our information interdependent globalizing and financial sphère dictated world from 1975 inflation crisis till the election of Trump. 

Here's the link if you are interested and can find to spare the time it's 2 and half hours long : 

I am considering to post in a separate thread to analyize it for myself. It's long and so you have 9 parts of it embedded in the comment section for saving time. 

Edited by Milos Uzelac

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@Milos Uzelac yeah I watched the documentary a couple years ago and it definitely made a lot of sense to me. Might be worth having a separate thread.

People think there is an objective reality but it's not the case it's always fed to you whether you believe the mainstream narrative or alternative ones. What I've notice happen is people will rebel against the mainstream but then just fall into another narrative and be even more attached to that because now they're not a 'sheep'. 

Companies spend millions on marketing to get you to buy things so these tactics definitely work and with the technology available now it's like it's on steroids. The smartest marketing trick is to convince you're a free thinker and you just happened to choose what they wanted you to. This is very apparant but not limited to someone like Trump. 

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@Consept

"The smartest marketing trick is to convince you're a free thinker and you just happened to choose what they wanted you to."

I especially, as a temperament and trait that I often consciously ascribe as, crutch mechanism, to myself, have to personally have this in mind, since very prone to identify myself as one and think-that I think along the "free thinker" line- and often do the unconscious opposite, falling into the agenda, as a result. Thanks for the insight! 


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23 hours ago, LaucherJunge said:

@Husseinisdoingfine
Simply because globalism is causing a lot of suffering and people are fed up with it. Humanity is simply not ready for globalism to work well.

"Globalism" is why you are able to use the Internet, and post this very message in the first place. "Globalism" is why all-out wars are not commonplace. You seem to be involved in a lot of straw-manning, and in-general, not knowing what you're talking about.

23 hours ago, LaucherJunge said:

The right is obviously the only ones who are against it. Also the left is corrupt to it's core, it's really sad to see as a leftist myself. Not to say that the right is not corrupt, but it's no comparison really...

I doubt you are a leftist. I've mostly seen this "globalism" argument used by right-wing nutcases on the internet.


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6 minutes ago, John Doe said:

"Globalism" is why you are able to use the Internet, and post this very message in the first place. "Globalism" is why all-out wars are not commonplace. You seem to be involved in a lot of straw-manning, and in-general, not knowing what you're talking about.

Right back at you.
Black/white thinking ain't gonna get you far.
Read again what I said try to understand it and then you can comment on it.
I said humanity is not ready for globalism as we have it currently, does not mean it's all bad and there is absolutely nothing good about it. It is the way to go when humanity is evolved enough, but surely not with black and white thinkers as the default.

And no I'm not a mainstream leftist, I have my own brain. ;)

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Those 3 aren't really far right, saying that you don't want white people replaced is not far right by itself but it can be in those right wing contexts.

Ego backlash and wanting your country to succeed because then you believe you're succeeding are good explanations.

As expected, closed minded liberal and leftist communities who automatically hate on beliefs that disagree with them and try to shut them down, aren't helping.

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@Husseinisdoingfine "Why is there such a resurgence of the far right?"

Because of excessive capitalist-consumer economy and the lies and misunderstandings arising from it. In short: globalization makes a correction.

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