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What is the fundamental nature of reality?

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I dream every day that's normal enough but something about last night's dream just made me think. It was so vivid and I was so immersed in it that when I woke up it felt like I was in a different universe and then I looked around and asked myself "what makes this world any different from the dream's world?". I got no answers. I kept the inquiry going and it lead me eventually to question the nature of reality.  Is reality material?  But what is "matter" really?  We are just putting labels on the stuff we found in the world. If reality is material how can dreams happen?  Dreams are very fascinating phenomenon.. Your mind literally create an entire world of matter (or at least an appearance of it) out of thin air through sheer imagination.. It is possible that this world ks I see around me was made by me using the same imagination.. It's not impossible after all I do that every single day when I dream at night lol. But then again this world is so consistent and it definitely has certain rules and limitations. I can't just jump and fly.Gravity exits etc.  So if it's my imagination why can't I imagine it any way I want?  And if it's material where did matter come from and why does it exist? 

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I live my life in a dream; the constant threat of a rude awakening keeps me on my toes.
-Mettley Zimmer

 

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2 minutes ago, Someone here said:

So if it's my imagination why can't I imagine it any way I want?

You are imagining it the way you want. But you confuse the notion of ‘I’ with a a human body/ego-mind. You are bigger. You are infinite.

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8 minutes ago, Meta-Man said:

You are imagining it the way you want. But you confuse the notion of ‘I’ with a a human body/ego-mind. You are bigger. You are infinite.

Well I think that's just a belief it's not based on my direct experience. All I see is the body and mind and the material world and nothing else.   I'm open to the possibility of me being some hidden creative power that is imagining this little me and the world just like the real me and the false me inside of a Dream. But I don't have any concrete evidence for that.  And the world does seem material and governd by certain laws which I cannot change through my imagination. Which makes me question what's the benefit of believing in something goes against direct experience?  That might prevent me from getting good results in life. 

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I live my life in a dream; the constant threat of a rude awakening keeps me on my toes.
-Mettley Zimmer

 

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1 minute ago, Someone here said:

Well I think that's just a belief it's not based on my direct experience.

Until now it is just an idea you’ve heard, yes. With serious inquiry you can discover that you are formless, infinite Consciousness, not a human body/mind. Right now you are imagining consciousness to be a product manufactured by the brain. That the body and brain appeared prior to consciousness. This assumption you can challenge. This is the paradigm you must break in order to awaken.

You have always been conscious, regardless of the state of your body or mind. It has always been there, unchanged and eternal. You don’t remember becoming conscious because you have always been Consciousness. As Consciousness you were never born. The body was born in Consciousness. It cannot be seen, because it is prior to seeing. It cannot be felt, because it is prior to feeling. It is closer to you than you are to yourself. It is Nothing. It is the Absolute beyond the relative. 

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8 minutes ago, Meta-Man said:

yes. With serious inquiry you can discover that you are formless, infinite Consciousness, not a human body/mind.

Would appreciate it if you guide me through this inquiry!.


I live my life in a dream; the constant threat of a rude awakening keeps me on my toes.
-Mettley Zimmer

 

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4 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Would appreciate it if you guide me through this inquiry!.

Would you agree that right now you are conscious? That there is consciousness? Would you agree that that is beyond a shadow of doubt? Even if this world is just a dream, right now you are conscious, right? Otherwise you wouldn’t be able to read these words. Agree?

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2 minutes ago, Meta-Man said:

Would you agree that right now you are conscious? That there is consciousness? Would you agree that that is beyond a shadow of doubt? Even if this world is just a dream, right now you are conscious, right? Otherwise you wouldn’t be able to read these words. Agree?

Yes I agree. I would say the following are absolute facts : I exist and this world exists and I am aware of it. Which means these things are right now in direct experience they can't be doubted. The nature of experience or  anything else is open to discussion. 


I live my life in a dream; the constant threat of a rude awakening keeps me on my toes.
-Mettley Zimmer

 

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26 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Yes I agree. I would say the following are absolute facts : I exist 

Right, as Consciousness. Now it’s up to you to question whether this consciousness is subject to limitations. 

28 minutes ago, Someone here said:

this world exists

The world appears, yes. But is it really Real? Are objects really Real? How can something that is impermanent be real? It has to have an unreality to it, because of its ephemeral nature. In this sense how can this world be differentiated from a dream? 

Then what is really Real?

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21 minutes ago, Meta-Man said:

Right, as Consciousness. Now it’s up to you to question whether this consciousness is subject to limitations. 

The world appears, yes. But is it really Real? Are objects really Real? How can something that is impermanent be real? It has to have an unreality to it, because of its ephemeral nature. In this sense how can this world be differentiated from a dream? 

Then what is really Real?

Well I don't exist as just awareness. I'm in this body it's obvious.  The awareness definitely seem to have a limitation. I'm in this body not your body. 

What is "real"?  I don't know that's my question here.. All I can say is that this stuff here that we call the world "people cars animals etc" that is what I would call "real" but I know that it might an illusion.. That's a possibility.. But still that's the only thing to be sure of.. This stuff is just there in front of me.  Yes it's fluxes but it's "there " nevertheless.  I wouldn't call it unreal just because it changes constantly.. If i to doubt the existence of what's in front of me and the only thing that exist then the whole discussion would end.. We have to start from a ground.. And my ground is the existence of myself (my mind and body) and the world around me. Notice I didn't jump to conclusions about the nature of the world or the nature of awareness.. I just stated honestly my raw direct experience which I cannot doubt. 

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I live my life in a dream; the constant threat of a rude awakening keeps me on my toes.
-Mettley Zimmer

 

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12 minutes ago, Meta-Man said:

Then what is really Real?

The world is both unreal and real. This understading goes beyond thinking, it is the unification of opposites, it's what you are. There is nothing that makes this world seem more real than dream, they differ only in consitency(this seems more consistent than dream) and some other stuff, but esentially the same. What was i so worried about? lol 

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6 minutes ago, Nemo28 said:

The world is both unreal and real. This understading goes beyond thinking, it is the unification of opposites, it's what you are. There is nothing that makes this world seem more real than dream, they differ only in consitency(this seems more consistent than dream) and some other stuff, but esentially the same. What was i so worried about? lol 

"Real " is reality this thing that's here around me. My question is what is the very substance of Reilly and why does it exist? 


I live my life in a dream; the constant threat of a rude awakening keeps me on my toes.
-Mettley Zimmer

 

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@Nemo28@Someone here

Consciousness is not limited to the world. 

The world is limited to Consciousness.

Consciousness is truly Real. 

Thou art Consciousness.

Just now, Someone here said:

why does it exist? 

Because Love.

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1 hour ago, Someone here said:

So if it's my imagination why can't I imagine it any way I want?

What if you are imagining it precisely the best way possible?

What if couldn't be any better?

What if THIS is what you wanted?

;)


You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

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27 minutes ago, Someone here said:

We have to start from a ground.. And my ground is the existence of myself (my mind and body)

That is NOT the ground. This is the fundamental misconception. It is an idea you’ve adopted. It is a superimposition onto Consciousness.

27 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Well I don't exist as just awareness. I'm in this body it's obvious.  The awareness definitely seem to have a limitation. I'm in this body not your body. 

Again you insist on you being IN a body. This is a false assumption. This awareness is NOT limited. It is not localized. It is not time-bound. It is not body or mind-bound.

You believe yourself to be a separate self-conscious entity localized ‘behind the eyes’. This is the ego. This is the illusion. 

The body is just an object. Like that chair over there. It is that which cannot be distinguished from the stuff of dreams, therefore it is not real. Consciousness is real. Because Consciousness is formless, unchanging and eternal. You are Consciousness.

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11 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

What if you are imagining it precisely the best way possible?

What if couldn't be any better?

What if THIS is what you wanted?

;)

Leo, if people imagine/project the reality that they actually want, why then do these people suffer and are actually not happy with reality? 

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5 minutes ago, WHO IS said:

What if you are imagining it precisely the best way possible?

What if couldn't be any better?

What if THIS is what you wanted?

@WHO IS The key here is understanding what YOU means. I'm not talking about the ego-you. I'm talking about the God-you.

Reality is not how the ego-you wants.

Reality is how the God-you wants.

When the ego-you surrender to the God-you, you will realize that reality is precisely the best way possible.

The mistake is not with the structure of reality, the mistake is with your selfish perception of reality.

If reality ever seems wrong, it's because you're being selfish.

Reality is selfless. That's the key. The trick is accepting it.


You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

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When you're dreaming, you imagine the world based on the the neurotransmitters in your brain. When you're awake, you imagine the world based on the neurotransmitters in your brain and sensory input. So it's always an imagination, only the input differs. 

And the thing is that whenever you ask a "what" question, the answer is always gonna be a false belief. Because reality doesn't have "whats", it doesn't have objects. An object is a human concept, but reality is far deeper than concepts like this.

If you want to go deeper, try asking "how?" instead of "what?"

And the answer to the "how?" question is:
Exactly the way it's happening right here right now. 

It can't be explained to you, only you can explain it to yourself because you are experiencing it far deeper than words are able to describe it.

This is why masters don't ask a lot of questions from other people.

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Interesting as I had a lucid dream few nights ago. I became lucid as I looked at my hands and noticed my fingers sort of melt. I was dreaming I was in an area up the road from my home and was stunned when exploring this dreamscape at the accuracy of the environment to my everyday experience of it. I wandered around and touched walls and objects and was intrigued as they felt so solid. I looked down at my dream body and watched as I freely moved my legs to walk. I was of understanding that I had imagined this whole environment, and a self to explore it. I decided that I’d try to astral project from this dream body. So I put this dream body to sleep and astral projected out of it. And I was now in my own living room. I realised I’ve now created another body, an astral body from my dream body, and a completely new environment within the dream. Like a dream within a dream. After a bit of playing around I went back to my dream body and awoke, but awoke into the first dream I was having, then awoke again into this everyday waking reality. So basically realised that that I could imagine body after body and environment after environment in my dreams. It became so clear that as this waking state is ordinarily my top level of awareness 99% of the time, I could from this level, or when I sleep anyway imagine and create what seems like lower levels of reality i.e. dreams, or maybe not lower, maybe just different, I don’t really know,then it’s pretty obvious that this level of reality and self sort of thing, are being imagined from an even higher level of consciousness. Which I’ve actually experienced through the use of lsd, that I am imagining all of this. But as to the degree of exactly how I’m doing this I need to trip deeper. So what I feel the lucid dream done for me was give me more confirmation of the fact as Leo says, this is all imaginary

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17 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

What if you are imagining it precisely the best way possible?

What if couldn't be any better?

What if THIS is what you wanted?

;)

Show me.. How am I doing this?  It's not in my direct experience. 


I live my life in a dream; the constant threat of a rude awakening keeps me on my toes.
-Mettley Zimmer

 

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Delusion, self deception and forgetfulness.

Only a few lucky ones receive an Illuminating, vivid dream that re-contextualizes the waking state. Use it. Contemplate on your own questions you asked here. You already know the answers to them. The dream showed you the answers to it. Probe into the lessons and hints the dream trying to show you.

@Someone here

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''Not this...

Not this...

PLEASE...Not this...''

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