Thetruthseeker

Spiral dynamics and Uk election

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I would say more than 3% of UK is green. I think most university students, the education industry and multi cultural Londoners under the age of 35 have a high percentage of green. 

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On 15.12.2019 at 5:34 PM, silene said:

I known that development was historically speeding up from purple to red to blue, but realistically we are looking at hundreds of years for the whole society to progress and move on. The UK is frankly still in progress from blue to orange at the moment, with a small percent, maybe 2 or 3 % spearheading into green. But it's ok, we are where we are, it's more important to learn our lessons thoroughly than to try and rush through. 

So hard to be green?

Haha

Is UK less developed than europe average?

Edited by Nivsch

🌻 Stage Yellow emerges when Green starts to have tolerance and respect to the variety of views within HIMSELF. Israelis here? Let me know!

 

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I'm surprised that nobody's mentioned the FPTP voting system. The Tories only increased their popular vote share by 1.2% compared to the last election, which translated into 48 extra seats. 

Most of the votes under the FPTP system do not get any representation in parliament whatsoever, and smaller parties need to gain a huge amount of votes in order to win just a couple of seats compared to the main larger parties. 
As an example, the Liberal Democrats won 11.6% of the popular vote, but they only won 12 seats. 

While I agree that Corbyn's leadership has failed as he lost the public's trust during the brexit negotiations, the seat count does not accurately reflect voter intentions, nor the collective consciousness of the union. 

The UK is largely stage orange, with major cities and Scotland being the most progressive areas of the union. 

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@andyjohnsonman  fair enough, I'm not going to quibble about numbers, 3% was only a guess to indicate that there's a lot more blue & orange than green (rather like me lol). Actually I don't have anything to support an accurate calculation, but I think we're in the same ballpark. 

@Nivsch I don't have enough direct experience to make comparisons with mainland Europe. At a rough guess I'd say the UK is similar to the North & West European average. Perhaps we're more progressive in some ways and less in others, balancing out. What do you think? 

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@Rookie I agree with you about how FPTP skews the number of MPs elected. The largest minority by party (we never get proper majorities) wins the lion's share of power. But if Leo & others are right about the inevitably of progress up the SD spiral in the long term, and we keep FPTP. we will eventually reach a tipping point when the old traditions are overwhelmed and locked out of power. I'm not yet convinced that progress is inevitable, but history does give me reason for optimism. 

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@Thetruthseeker You are pretty much right on all of these things (Corbyn Green, Cons Orange and Brexit Party Blue), except for Brexit itself. I can only speak on authority on this as I live in England and have studied the EU argument from both sides to a great degree. The EU is undoubtedly only of the most corrupt and deeply undemocratic institutions on the planet, most certainly within the continent of Europe, not to mention financially incompetent and meddling. Unfortunately a lot of racists/xenophobes support leaving it, which gives the principle of 'Brexit' a bad name and has made it's reputation into one of a stage Orange goal.

The Conservatives (I was about to use another word but I best not, starting with C), won because they promised to leave the EU whilst Labour promised to re-run the entire thing in another vote. Corbyn is a fucking idiot. If he would have kept to his original ideals of leaving the EU for just, socialist reasons (as many left-wingers support leaving the EU as well) he would have won the election by a large majority. People over here are very dumb. They actually believe the Conservatives will deliver Brexit, but they won't, they lie as usual. Now they will fuck that up and continue to rip this country apart for however many years to come. The Green party and the other parties are useless and filled with incompetent clowns, as usual, despite it's premise being something that no doubt all of us on here could support.

Longest. Post. EVER! :D Political Rant over.

P.S: Hope all of you like my creepy new profile picture.

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@silene Plenty of progress has been made since the Brexit referendum in this country, in the same way that the U.S is still progressing under Trump's presidency. We'll be fine. 

@Light Lover Corbyn would have lost the election no matter what happened, mainly due to his overall incompetence, his refusal to commit to a Brexit position (even before the election), and his repeated failures to tackle anti-semitism within his. There were so many blunders between the 2017 and 2019 election that completely eroded public trust and confidence in him. I can vividly remember several polls where the public stated that they'd rather have a no-deal Brexit than see Corbyn as their prime minister in the run-up to the October 31st deadline. 

At the very least his manifesto had some inspiring ideas. I hope the 4-day workweek catches on in the upcoming years. 

P.S. nice profile picture. 

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