UK politics

[andyjohnsonman]

So there is a general election coming up in December and i would like to use this thread to help me get a better understanding of what's happening in the UK especially from a conscious point of view as I am a bit out of the loop on UK politics but would like to vote. I have been following some very good USA political youtubers like democracy now, the majority report, secular talk and rational national but they all cover US politics does anyone know similar youtubers for the UK?

 

Would you say that Jeremy Corbyn is the Bernie Sanders of the UK? Is he at the same level of consciousness and has similar policies? It seems that democrats and labour are very similar and conservatives and republicans are similar. The difference being that Trump doesn't have to answer to anyone where as in The Houses of Parliament Boris Johnson is always been test by opposition like Jeremy Corbyn from the Labour party. 

[Leo Gura]

Simple: don't vote for conservatives.

Brexit is nationalist foolishness.

[andyjohnsonman]

So vote labour, green party or Lib Dem? It seems Corbyn and Sanders are very comparable but not sure to the level Corbyn wants to take take on the elites in the same way Sanders does and put an end to corruption and bring more transparency.

[Rookie]

Corbyn is vehemently demonised by almost everyone because he's a huge threat to the status quo. Unlike Sanders, Corbyn has almost no support among the general public or even his own party, to the point where the British public would rather face a no-deal Brexit than elect Corbyn as prime minister. I don't have a source for that, but I've seen several opinion polls which reflect this fact. 

Some of Corbyn's policies are surprisingly conscious and have a real possibility of ending years of austerity and re-distributing wealth across the country (something the UK is shockingly bad at, with most of the country's wealth concentrated in South-East England), but there's almost no chance that his policies will be realised. The British public don't trust him, they see him as dangerous, and they'd rather vote the Tories into power again. 

That being said, I would still vote Labour. They're the only party that has a chance of beating the conservatives, and they have a marginal chance of forming a government with a Labour-SNP coalition. 

From my point of view Brexit is now inevitable. The British public is too unconscious to realise their mistake, Emmanuel Macron is sick of our shit, and a people's vote would take too long to complete itself. 

On the flip-side, Scottish independence is imminent as soon as they get a second referendum, and Northern Ireland will likely reunify within the next 3 decades. Far-right parties in Europe who previously wanted to from the EU now want to reform it from within. Support for the EU across other member states is at an all time high, and a lot of people (including me) are now significantly more aware of what the EU is, does and how it affects our lives. 

Brexit is overall good. 

[Apparition of Jack]

@Rookie @RookieYou seem quite knowledgeable about the topic, so do you mind if I ask you a few questions? 

How do you forsee Brexit impacting the UK, as well as Europe at large? I know that when the votes came in a lot of people were worried this meant the end of the European project, but as you touched upon it seems to have had the reverse affect (at least in regards to the remaining members.) What will a post-Brexit UK look like? Where will most of its money come from, what will the cultural attitudes be like? Do you forsee Britain at some point rejoining, if the European honey pot seems too big not to be a part of? 

[SoothedByRain]

 

[Rookie]

@Apparition of Jack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_integration#Stages

From an economic standpoint, one of the main reasons that Brexit is so foolish is we're economically disintegrating from our largest trading partner and re-imposing tariffs on our trade with them, while also losing out on all the trade deals that the EU have with other trade blocs and countries. 

Brexit thankfully won't make much of a dent on the global economy, nor will it massively damage the EU, with the exception of the Republic of Ireland which will be disproportionately impacted by Brexit due to how economically and politically integrated it is with the UK. 
The unfair toll on Ireland is a key reason for why the EU won't veto our extension requests; they don't want to be responsible for creating a crisis on the Irish border.

Although support for the EU is at an all-time high, in some countries, namely France and Italy, far-right populist parties still threaten to wreck havoc with the European project. Getting rid of the UK should nonetheless give the European project more stability because of how poorly it's playing out. 

Quite a large number of financial firms, banks and businesses have relocated out of the UK and into EU countries so they can continue to work within the EU Single Market. Banks and other businesses are closing down their firms across the country. There's been a large increase in the number of Irish passports being issued to Brits since the 2016 referendum. London will soon no longer be considered as the financial capital of the world. 
All this highlights the UK's declining importance and the world's favouring of the EU over the UK. 

We may also see a slight drop in the importance of the English language within the EU, although I doubt it will be too significant. 

The Euro will strengthen as more EU states (Croatia, Bulgaria & Romania) will be adopting the Euro in the coming years. Without the UK's opt-out other member states won't be as tempted to hold onto their own currencies. 

I have no clue what a post-Brexit UK will look like. Probably the same place with higher prices, continued austerity due to the financial hit of Brexit, and an endless argument between conservative and regressive parties on whether or not we should be in a customs union with the EU. Our country will still be as divided as its ever been, with the poor suffering the most from our break with the EU. 

I assume the UK will re-join the EU in 3 decades after the older, more conservative generation die off. We'll likely have re-joined the customs union much earlier than that, and we'll use the Euro like all of the other member states. 


I'm excited to see how this will play out over the next few months. 

[Leo Gura]

Brexit is the analog of Trump's boarder wall with a mote with snakes and crocodiles.

Notice that both moves are a fear-based contraction of consciousness and will come with accompanying karma.

It's the political equivalent of shitting where you eat.

[Shaun]

Scotland needs independence as soon as possible. We're getting dragged out of the EU against our will and the only reason England is holding on to us so tightly is because of our resources. 

[roar]

Brexit is just another nail in the coffin for the Anglo-American empire.  Let Trump, Boris and Farage finish it off.

[Annoynymous]

I think jeremy corbyn can be a good choice as PM, but it seems that the media do not support him much. I don't know  why this is the case.

It will also be hard for him to get elected as the recent polls are showing that labour is 10+ points behind the conservatives.

Still five more weeks to go before the election but personally, i don't think labour can get ahead of the conservative within the time.

But i want labour and Corbyn to win.

Edited November 2, 2019 by Annoynymous