Basic income

[Revolutionary Think]

@Bodigger OK well then they are doing an experiment in one of the cities in my state https://www.inverse.com/article/56735-universal-basic-income-how-stockton-s-pilot-transformed-one-citizen-s-life  

[RichardY]

@Bodigger
No, I think a "Land Value Tax"(including the ocean, natural resources), on unimproved land. Is a way to go. Was thinking about company shares, as opposed to dividend payments as shown by the Alaskan state example. A Land Value "tax" is simpler, however.

Socialise Land, but keep improvements privately owned. The value of land is derived from the community, and not the landlord.

If the improvements are socialised as well, voluntarily, then you have communism.

Less than 1% of the population of the UK and USA own nearly half the land. Any improvements people make, are consumed as a whole by a rentier class.
 

 

[Bodigger]

On ‎8‎/‎27‎/‎2019 at 1:23 PM, Revolutionary Think said:

Alaska https://qz.com/1205591/a-universal-basic-income-experiment-in-alaska-shows-employment-didnt-drop/  

I found that Alaska has the lowest fuel tax, in fact, it is half of what we pay here in Wisconsin.  However, fuel prices are higher in Alaska.  Sounds to me like the people, not corporations are paying for this.

[Revolutionary Think]

 

[Bodigger]

Taxes are forced upon people, in which, is not a good idea for the long term.  Programs are added to a government policy, never deleted.  Government takes their share......first.  Think about this......our government pays farmers to not farm.

Give people their money back and, we the people, will do a much better job on poverty.

[Revolutionary Think]

@Leo Gura You like this guy and he seems pretty open to UBI 

   

[Revolutionary Think]

  

[Bodigger]

@Revolutionary Think I don't think I agree with Nick on the taxes of the rich would lower unemployment.  The unemployment rate in the U.S. is at 3.6% which is less than half the rate in EU.  Did I miss something in his talk?

[Forestluv]

56 minutes ago, Bodigger said:

@Revolutionary Think I don't think I agree with Nick on the taxes of the rich would lower unemployment.  The unemployment rate in the U.S. is at 3.6% which is less than half the rate in EU.  Did I miss something in his talk?

U.S. federal unemployment rates are notorious for underestimating true unemployment. Even if unemployment is relatively low, another concern is quality of jobs. Many jobs are minimum wage without benefits and security - and people are working 2-3 jobs to make ends meet. 

[Revolutionary Think]

If you wont take it from me take it from him.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXGoWtK1NnY

[Bodigger]

32 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

U.S. federal unemployment rates are notorious for underestimating true unemployment. Even if unemployment is relatively low, another concern is quality of jobs. Many jobs are minimum wage without benefits and security - and people are working 2-3 jobs to make ends meet. 

I agree, I think a better measurement of employment is the total number of people employed with an averaged income.  Maybe an averaged income per job.

[Bodigger]

1 hour ago, Revolutionary Think said:

If you wont take it from me take it from him.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXGoWtK1NnY

Unless I missed it, he isn't for higher taxes.

[Revolutionary Think]

Hey look at this guy using @Leo Gura's logic for basic income 

 

[Bodigger]

In Milwaukee, Wisconsin they just spent over 800 million dollars on a trolley train which goes around a two mile loop.  The Mayor and the city council said it will pay for itself with the amount of riders.  Few people are riding it and the city is hemorrhaging money to keep it going.  The Mayor and city council are proposing a 1% increase on sales tax to continue funding it, and get this......Expand.  This does nothing, in fact, it hurts the poor.

this is how I see things going with BI.  It makes people feel good about what it is intended to do.  However, when it doesn't work, they will say, "it's because we need to dump more money into the program", even if it doesn't work.