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Did Leo grew up in a religous Home?

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8 minutes ago, Aakash said:

@Joseph Maynor it’s difficult to explain but it’s not loving it because it exists. It’s loving it as it exists. 

When you have it, you don't need to talk about it, and you don't need to feel triggered that someone thinks differently from you about it.  You have it!  There's no insecurity there about it.  Now you can go live your life and focus on the next thing you want but don't yet have.  You're not obsessed with things you have, you're obsessed with things you want but don't yet have.  You can always tell what people don't yet have but want because it's what they're currently obsessed about and yammering about and trying to be right about.  

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@Joseph Maynor it’s interesting, I do not know what context to interpret this from. In relative sakes, what would outwin here 

a) giving you an answer that satisfies you 

b) giving an answer that makes you grow 

c) giving you an argument for why your wrong 

D) showing you the error in your answer 

E) telling you you are right, when you are not 

F) picking out certain points in your argument and giving a counter rebuttle to specific parts instead of the whole thing 

H) don’t talk about it because you got it and let the person be

I) don’t talk about it and let the say something to make the person happy 

J) don’t talk about it and say something outrageous 

h) don’t talk but give out some wisdom. 

j) realise their answer is love and say an answer which has more love in it. 

Which is the best one ? 

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@Leo Gura There is only one video game that has ever influenced me on a deep existential level.

It is also perhaps the single most conscious piece of art/media that I have ever encountered.

The game is called Shadow of the Colossus, originally released for PS2 back in 2005 but now there is a graphic remake for PS4: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Colossus-PlayStation-4/dp/B071WPKD5P?th=1

I can not recommend it enough. Though I cannot say much without spoiling the brilliant ending, I will say that it explores devilry (precisely as described in your video: what is the devil?) like no other work of art has.

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't care for most games. It needs to be something original and deep or artistic.

The very fact that Shadow of the Colossus is a video game (where one takes control of a character and is responsible for their actions) allows for its exploration of devilry. The narrative impact would not be anywhere near as powerful if this were a movie, for example.

Furthermore, the game has a rare simplicity and serenity. It consists of 16 back-to-back boss fights (no mobs) and breathtaking scenery.

It's also rather short. You can probably complete it in ~10+ hours.

If you ever play a video game in your life ever again, Leo, remember this! ;)


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@Leo Gura  Do you have friends? If so, how do you maintain relationships?

Also, does friendship have a role in self-actualization?

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it seems pretty much all homes are religious in today's world even if not explicitly judeo christian muslim

just the way people think and believe all kinds of nonsense headline info just to feel safe and comforted and distracted

the church has been replaced with shopping malls and football stadiums

jesus has been replaced with oprah and ed sheeran 

even science lovers (and practitioners) can be so dogmatic and hostile it's kind of scary 

ultimately nothing has changed much except the gadgets

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I don't have a social life. Never cared to have one. It does not interest me.

it seems that being a very social extroverted person would be quite problematic if one is into such things as spirituality, creativity, art, business, etc

becoming a lone wolf is pretty much essential if you want to succeed in this world
you gotta love your own mind and live a more interesting life than any movie

and turn on the charm when necessary

leaders create out of nothing for the sake of the process itself
followers obey and consume because otherwise they would go mad

side note:
that new show HBO Euphoria is pretty cool
really bold film making and shows what adolescents are probably really going through and how lost they are
how fucking brutal this world can be
identity games and pressures to chase this sick hollywood porn love
the search for external happiness

Edited by Truthority

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16 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

@Leo Gura I actually break up Community Building into online and offline.  You have a very substantial online Community.   One can work on their online Community Building and their offline Community Building.  This is just how I think about it.  I wanted to share this because indeed you do have a substantial social life: you host a forum of people from all around the world.  I would say you're highly social from an Online Community perspective.  So you do have a huge social life Leo.  For some reason we don't really view online Community as proper social life.  In reality Community Development Work encompasses both online and offline community building work.  I think we tend to think online or offline.  But see this is another example of the Mind imposing Exclusive Or rather than Conjunction.  Instead of this and that we get this or that.  No!  It's this AND that!  It's online community AND offline community.  They're one!

Digital communication has very few to none of the benefits associated to being social. It's like porn vs. actual sex. It's not the real thing. There has been several studies on this, showing that digital communication doesn't really activate the brain regions associated with being social. Real-life interaction is so much more than just an exchange of words.


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7 hours ago, Truthority said:

it seems that being a very social extroverted person would be quite problematic if one is into such things as spirituality, creativity, art, business, etc

Careful.

I know extroverts who are awakened and do spiritual practice.

And obviously many extroverts make a killing in creativity, business, art.

There's more than one way to skin a cat.

One should only be a lone wolf if that's what one is called to do. It's not necessary for success.

With that said, personally I love lone wolfing life. But that's just me. People here must find whatever kind of lifestyle resonates with them. This is a highly individualized thing.


You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

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3 hours ago, Commodent said:

Digital communication has very few to none of the benefits associated to being social. It's like porn vs. actual sex. It's not the real thing. There has been several studies on this, showing that digital communication doesn't really activate the brain regions associated with being social. Real-life interaction is so much more than just an exchange of words.

I say build both.  I'm just trying to note the limiting-belief in our collective consciousness/unconsciousness that online community building doesn't count as social activity.  Sure it does!  Huge social activity.  I'm talking with people online all day long.  And I also want to have some real relationships in my life too. You can do both, see.  We can walk and chew gum at the same time.  It's not one to the exclusion of the other -- we can and most of us probably should do both.  Don't feel ashamed of your online relationship connections, they're a bonafide part of your social life and your social activity.  Own it!

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4 hours ago, Commodent said:

Digital communication has very few to none of the benefits associated to being social. It's like porn vs. actual sex. It's not the real thing. There has been several studies on this, showing that digital communication doesn't really activate the brain regions associated with being social. Real-life interaction is so much more than just an exchange of words.

That is part true and part false.

Ultimately who is to say what is real and what isn't? We make up those definitions.

Of course in person sociaizing is different. But as humanity evolves digital communication will become more and more common and robust. Even digital sex is getting common now.

I've had deeper orgasms through text message than through physical sex. So don't dismiss the digital world as somehow inferior. It has its pros and cons, just like all mediums.

Don't forget, physical reality is just one medium out of many. Digital reality is no less real than physical reality or imagination.


You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

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50 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I've had deeper orgasms through text message than through physical sex. 

this is really interesting....

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You can imagine people are however you want them to be behind written text.

 


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22 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That is part true and part false.

Ultimately who is to say what is real and what isn't? We make up those definitions.

Of course in person sociaizing is different. But as humanity evolves digital communication will become more and more common and robust. Even digital sex is getting common now.

I've had deeper orgasms through text message than through physical sex. So don't dismiss the digital world as somehow inferior. It has its pros and cons, just like all mediums.

Don't forget, physical reality is just one medium out of many. Digital reality is no less real than physical reality or imagination.

Whenever we interfere with the natural way of doing things we tend to fuck things up, because we are not aware of the consequenses and the intricate ways in which we are connected to nature. Is it coincidental that self-reported feelings of loneliness among teenagers have shot up the roof after the introduction of the iPhone? No, it is not. It is exactly because we are spending so much time in front of our phones, pretending to be socializing, rather than actually socializing. It's a false substitute to a biological need ingrained into our DNA over hundreds of thousands of years.

Just to make it clear, I'm not denying the pros of digital communication. The possibility for us to instantly message each other across the globe is absolutely fantastic. The cons are, however, MASSIVELY underestimated and should definitely be brought into awareness. The addictive nature of phones does not make it better either. That's probably even the worst thing. We are really the first people in human history who are able to go our entire day without any form of solitude (time spent without input from other minds). You wake up, check your phone, go to work listening to a podcast etc. and finally go to bed without any experience of solitude. Our minds get no time to rest, because we're always jumping from one distraction to another. That is, unless you've been watching Actualized.org and meditate every day. ;)


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36 minutes ago, Commodent said:

Whenever we interfere with the natural way of doing things we tend to fuck things up, because we are not aware of the consequenses and the intricate ways in which we are connected to nature.

Again, this is part true and part false.

There is no such thing as "the natural way of doing things". Technology is always advancing. Technology is part of nature. You cannot undo technological advance. Digital reality will only grow stronger and stronger. VR socialization will soon be a big thing. Through VR socialization you will be able to make friends across the whole global, not just your local neighborhood. Digital actually allows us to transcend the limits of physicality. Think about it. That's why digital is to valuable. It's God-like.

Socrates believed philosophy should not be written but only spoken because writing would corrupt the mind. Why did he believe this? Because writing was a new invention in his day and he was set in his ways.


You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

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@Leo Gura  When I say "the natural way of doing things" I mean the ways which we have evolved to live through hundreds of thousands of years of evolution. We are essentially living in ways that we were not designed to live, and it's leading to all sorts of problems. From a book I recently read, "What Doesn't Kill Us" by Scott Carney:

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There is a growing consensus among many scientists and athletes that humans were not built for eternal and effortless homeostasis. Evolution made us seek comfort because comfort was never the norm. Human biology needs stress—not the sort of stress that damages muscle, gets us eaten by a bear, or degrades our physiques—but the sort of environmental and physical oscillations that invigorates our nervous systems. We’ve been honed over millennia to adapt to an ever-changing environment. Those fluctuations are ingrained in our physiology in countless ways that are, for the most part, unconnected to our conscious minds.

Now that's what I mean by the natural way. This DNA imprinting not only applies to physiology, but also the kind of social interaction I'm talking about that is universal to all cultures and has been for millennia. No tribe; you're dead. And that's where our brain not perceiving digital communication as social interaction comes in. It leads to hidden stress.

Will digital communication ever be able to fool our unconscious minds? Maybe. Until then, I'm gonna stick to my dumb phone. It has been one big stepping stone for me in living an intentional life, a life that is not polluted by an army of psychologists at Facebook.

I am enthustiastically following the technological advances going on, and I am in fact studying AI. So I'm not anti-technology per se. I'm just advocating that we don't lose touch with our humanity, and that of others. Because our humanity truly is a marvelous thing, which unfortunately is so commonly disrespected and neglected in this day and age. We have lost our respect for nature, and the nature that we are.


I am myself, heaven and hell.

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8 minutes ago, Commodent said:

we have evolved to live through hundreds of thousands of years of evolution. We are essentially living in ways that we were not designed to live, and it's leading to all sorts of problems.

Evolution is not a done deal. It is happening every minute of every day.

You have evolved a mind so you can figure out how to adapt to ever changing environments.

Problems are always part of adapting to new environments. Nothing new about this.

It is a problem in and of itself to deny that digital technology is a part of nature. We cannot go back to live in the woods. That would actually be a regression. We must find ways to integrate our technological developments and to make them the new "natural". This obviously needs to be done in a balanced and healthy way. But denying the digital realm is itself pathological.

Powerful new technology requires consciousness to use in a healthy & harmonious way.


You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

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Just now, Leo Gura said:

Evolution is not a done deal. It is happening every minute of every day.

You have evolved a mind so you can figure out how to adapt to ever changing environments.

Problems are always part of adapting to new environments. Nothing new about this.

Do you think it's possible to be conscious of the intelligence of the unfolding of evolution through higher level degrees of mastery of things like yoga on a moment by moment basis? 

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I think it's important for most people to have a social life and strong in person human connections. I mostly want to share this message on here because I have a feeling this community attracts a decent percentage of people with emotional problems, case in point being all the threads on negative emotions and dealing with personal issues. At one point in my life I had sort of convinced myself I didn't need friends and that if I just meditated everyday for a long time and was consistent with that all my problems would magically solve themselves. It doesn't work like that for most so go speak to a trained professional like a therapist or coach. From there get all the basic needs and everything in order. Spirituality can accompany and will always be there for support and can be turned to sometimes where it's magic will give an answer but it isn't a flat out solution to life for most people. Going it alone or a renunciation sort of lifestyle is something I think you have to be mature and really skilled and knowing if yourself to pursue. The average person is not ready for this. 

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3 minutes ago, see_on_see said:

leave the house and GO OUT before you go mad!!!

Wherever you go, there you are. You can't run away from yourself.


You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

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9 minutes ago, see_on_see said:

Skype? VR? Come on guys. That's some sad shit right there. Not to say online interaction is bad per se, but it's not even in the same damn ballpark. 

I think you have a opinion that might be closing you down to possibilities that are good.  See, this is why you gotta factor in Evolution and be at the tip of that.  Evolution means that you are comfortable with change, novelty, innovation, exploration, etc.  

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9 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Again, this is part true and part false.

There is no such thing as "the natural way of doing things". Technology is always advancing. Technology is part of nature. You cannot undo technological advance. Digital reality will only grow stronger and stronger. VR socialization will soon be a big thing. Through VR socialization you will be able to make friends across the whole global, not just your local neighborhood. Digital actually allows us to transcend the limits of physicality. Think about it. That's why digital is to valuable. It's God-like.

Socrates believed philosophy should not be written but only spoken because writing would corrupt the mind. Why did he believe this? Because writing was a new invention in his day and he was set in his ways.

This is a good post.  I guess it depends on what your objectives are in life.  But if you're an explorer who likes to reside at the very tip of Evolution, this is where things are headed.

Edited by Joseph Maynor

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