Leo Gura

Who's Interested In Conscious Politics?

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4 hours ago, George Fil said:

Awesome video, just a note that might be helpful and seems contradictory with with what has been said in the video,

from the book the Righteous mind by Jonathan Haidt, by comparison of data between questionnaires of leftists and rightwing voters,  he provides the results that Right wing people are more aware of the Left people's mindset and ideals, they just do not agree with them.

However Left wing people, although considered more open minded fail to understand right wing and overestimate the conservatism of right wing, in their minds.

That being said..... leftists are more solid in their opinions and fail to understand the Right wing to the core, when right wingers are far more aware but they strongly  disagree.

I don't find that to be true.

1) Research shows that conservatives are consistently more closedminded than liberals. Conservatives are generally not interested in exploring other POVs. Liberals are more open to that and more tolerant of other perspectives. Of course not always so. Many liberals also become dogmatic. And many liberals especially hate conservatives and therefore misunderstand them.

2) Spiral Dynamics research shows that conservatives are lower in their cognitive and moral development than liberals.

I agree that we need more mutual understanding of all perspectives. Which is why I spend a lot of time studying conservative perspectives. But conservatives almost never do that. When was the last time you saw a conservative reading a book on Marxism or Feminism? It's laughable. They would never do that.

It's not that conservatives merely disagree with socialism or post-modernism, for example. They fundamentally do not know what socialism or post-modernism is. Even highly educated conservatives like Jordan Peterson, who is a professor, do not have enough intellectual curiosity and objectivity to understand socialism or post-modernism. Liberalism correlates positively with higher education. Which is why conservatives like to ridicule and demonize universities and academia.

I agree that most leftists do not understand the right wing to their core. But the right wing understands leftism even worse. Just go watch Fox News to see the proof.


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I deeply watched  Leo's videos on conscious politics, I might post my notes which can help to spread his message in a clear, concise way to more people.

Overall, ya it's a good idea. It is a great application of non-duality teaching in politics.

In part 1st it has been more about what conscious politics is and the vision of conscious politics.

But I think the biggest challenge is how to translate this vision in the mainstream. I think that would be the most challenging problem and his other videos should clarify on that more, the 'how' of conscious politics. I can see a lot of ways in which that vision may not be translated in the mainstream, its toooo radical. I can't see how the collective ego of USA or of any other country will take that in.

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@Leo GuraWatched the video today. Very awesome. I feel very inspired. I've been following Actualized.org since 2015 and I think it is awsome where it has gone. 

My question to you would be what else could we do to help the country evolve its conciouness? I just feel like I could be doing more than I am right now. In a way, I think I have been too spiritual and not too practical. I understand I'm here to to help increase conciouness and love but I feel that maybe we need to be more sneaky about it. 

We could be more intentional and actually more conscious people on board with helping. But maybe to change society as a whole we need to find more subtle ways to get under defense mechanisms. So, at least this stuff has a chance to enter someone's mind. 

I've had thoughts in the past of making more conscious art and entertainment. This could be a subtle way to shift things. It could be deliberate but not "in your face".  With that, we can send loving conscious material across the airwaves. This is only one possibility.   

I hope I am making sense. I would be curious to hear people's thoughts.   

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9 minutes ago, Ibn Sina said:

But I think the biggest challenge is how to translate this vision in the mainstream

I actually talked to Leo about that. I think that it'll come as a shock to people if they listen to one of his enlightenment videos where he talks about you don't exist but, at the same time when did you don't exist become you are god so if I'm god and I don't exist does that mean god doesn't exist or since it's non dual non-existence and god are the same thing anyway whatever. 

I talked to Leo about Andrew Yang and Leo was a bit against him in favor of Bernie although we both think both options are better than Trump. Andrew has a vision for a human centered economy and I see that as more conscious a transcendence between the socialism and capitalism duality we are used to. 

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1 hour ago, lukej said:

@Leo GuraWatched the video today. Very awesome. I feel very inspired. I've been following Actualized.org since 2015 and I think it is awsome where it has gone. 

My question to you would be what else could we do to help the country evolve its conciouness? I just feel like I could be doing more than I am right now. In a way, I think I have been too spiritual and not too practical. I understand I'm here to to help increase conciouness and love but I feel that maybe we need to be more sneaky about it. 

We could be more intentional and actually more conscious people on board with helping. But maybe to change society as a whole we need to find more subtle ways to get under defense mechanisms. So, at least this stuff has a chance to enter someone's mind. 

I've had thoughts in the past of making more conscious art and entertainment. This could be a subtle way to shift things. It could be deliberate but not "in your face".  With that, we can send loving conscious material across the airwaves. This is only one possibility.   

I hope I am making sense. I would be curious to hear people's thoughts.   

I think it's mostly a case of leading by example. An Ego needs incentive to want to change. What's in it for them. When a high consciousness enlightened person chooses to put themselves in the publics eye, whatever form that may be, there is an opportunity to entice others to pursue enlightenment, just from experiencing how powerful and peaceful you are. You want  people who see you in a public format to say "goddamn, that's is the most epic, loving, wise, amazing man I've ever seen!". They then may then want what you got. There's the opportunity to share your journey, and share how they too can get there, if they choose to do the work. 

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2 hours ago, lukej said:

We could be more intentional and actually more conscious people on board with helping. But maybe to change society as a whole we need to find more subtle ways to get under defense mechanisms. So, at least this stuff has a chance to enter someone's mind. 

I've had thoughts in the past of making more conscious art and entertainment. This could be a subtle way to shift things. It could be deliberate but not "in your face".  With that, we can send loving conscious material across the airwaves. This is only one possibility.   

I hope I am making sense. I would be curious to hear people's thoughts.   

That's where spirituality intersects with life purpose. Your LP should be about helping mankind raise consciousness in whatever way you find more meaningful. That could be through film, social media, writing, music, art, business, politics, education, engineering, or whatever.

The most important thing for now is to educate yourself further. A deep study should be made of Conscious Politics before you run off to start some political or social revolution.

Once you do that AND you find your LP, then your whole life will be making an impact and helping to elevate people.


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You forgot one of the most important quotes in regards to government:

"If men weren't trying to cut each other's dicks off, no government would be necessary"

- James Madison

 

 

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I realized that all of my "right wing" political positions were only based upon personal survival. Being an anti-natalist and nationalist against tax increases, immigration, foreign aid and homeless rights is me wanting to not have to share with people, and wanting less other people to be on my planet, in my country and city. My most left wing position is being pro-choice, but not because I morally agree or disagree with anything, but because allowing abortion is anti-natalist policy that results in less people I have to share with, ultimate devilry.

 

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But seriously @Leo Gura don't forget this quote on your next vid. 

 

@XYZ the left vs right paradigm has already been transcended and had actually become successful forms of, however, those were destroyed after WW2.  

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What if we were all having this conversation in a room, and after so much deliberation we actually came to a democratic conclusion, a consensus, all the while not knowing there is a button outside the room which removes the floor, so the room can be filled, and emptied again, and again. At some point, that button should be addressed, no?  Probably best if we just don’t talk about it. Nice room. 


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@Nahm  that button would be evolution; and its pressing itself I'd say, to ensure we keep creating better forms of govt

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On 7/14/2019 at 7:58 AM, Keyhole said:

 

Yeah, no, don't talk to me like that.  We ain't close.
Y'all on here gotta learn how to cut that shit out.
 

Perhaps its not us that has to learn anything but its you. Or maybe both!

See how one sided you are being, directing other people to deal with the problem that originates from you? i'd inquire on why this bothers you.

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@Leo Gura I watched the whole video today and yes I learn new things from it, but i feel this part 1 video was aimed mainly to orange libertarians people, because I (as green mainly) agree with almost everything you said in the video about the nessecity of government and that government should promote Love in the society and this is exactly my point of view. My survivle agenda in my political activity is to protect equality, minorities rights, LGBTQ rights and etc values (my party values). I didnt feel it was about yellow-turquise politics but maybe you are planning it for the next parts(?)

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🌻 Stage Yellow emerges when Green starts to have tolerance and respect to the variety of views within HIMSELF. Israelis here? Let me know!

 

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@Shadowraix The thread topic is on conscious politics. Please don't post unsolicited and unwelcomed personal advice. 

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9 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

@Shadowraix The thread topic is on conscious politics. Please don't post unsolicited and unwelcomed personal advice. 

And conscious politics doesn't include raising other people's consciousness?

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4 minutes ago, Truth Addict said:

And conscious politics doesn't include raising other people's consciousness?

Do not derail the thread. If you would like to learn more, I would encourage you to read the forum guidelines. As well, I would be happy to discuss this with you via PM.

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1 minute ago, Serotoninluv said:

Do not derail the thread. I would be happy to discuss this with you via PM.

Why its not in the thread? I interested the most in raising people up in my political activity (since i learned the model).


🌻 Stage Yellow emerges when Green starts to have tolerance and respect to the variety of views within HIMSELF. Israelis here? Let me know!

 

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Just now, Serotoninluv said:

I would be happy to discuss this with you via PM.

You could have done that already.

2 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

Do not derail the thread.

I'm not. We're discussing conscious politics.

Look at what Leo said:

19 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

That's where spirituality intersects with life purpose. Your LP should be about helping mankind raise consciousness in whatever way you find more meaningful. That could be through film, social media, writing, music, art, business, politics, education, engineering, or whatever.

The most important thing for now is to educate yourself further. A deep study should be made of Conscious Politics before you run off to start some political or social revolution.

Once you do that AND you find your LP, then your whole life will be making an impact and helping to elevate people.

 

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Just now, Nivsch said:

Why its not in the thread? I interested the most in raising people up in my political activity (since i learned the model).

The thread topic is on conscious politics - not on the details of trolling via giving unsolicited and unwelcomed personal advice.

I was not referring to you.

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