Leo's biggest hater?

[Joseph Maynor]

13 minutes ago, tecladocasio said:

@Joseph Maynor Leo would never accept something like this, he don't like to be questioned , he likes to appear that way , but you know that's not the reality . Leo is living his dream right now , in a kind of echo-chamber . He validates his own ''knowlegde'' , and being exposed ? Not a chance . He has much emotional investiment in all of this . What do you think Joseph

I don't want to speak for Leo.  All I will say is I think this Forum is best when we have a free flow of ideas, even if those ideas are hostile or critical to our own ideas.  I think we need to be less defensive and less protective and less controlling and allow this Forum to be an open place where a wide variety of contrasting ideas are considered and debated.  Lately, I have had some concerns which I have expressed already and don't want to re-iterate here.  The bottom line is I think the Forum is best when it's as free and open as possible.  And that means that we get to hear ideas and perspectives that challenge our own.  That means that we allow in more than we omit.  It's that crucible of many ideas where the magic is allowed to brew and happen.  That's what I'm a fan of since you asked me.  

Edited April 3, 2019 by Joseph Maynor

[Aakash]

@Joseph Maynor honestly i wasnt even talking about this gguy specifically, i was only talking about in general because energy is still an object if you think about it 

[Joseph Maynor]

23 minutes ago, Aakash said:

@Joseph Maynor honestly i wasnt even talking about this gguy specifically, i was only talking about in general because energy is still an object if you think about it 

Yeah, but see people have different views of what Enlightenment is.  The only two people I've ever seen who seem to be similar in their views of Enlightenment on here are Leo and Highest.  I like to say people on here couldn't disagree more about Enlightenment if they tried to.  That says something.  That says that every person has a unique snowflake-like view of Enlightenment.  The Mind likes to think there's "one right view" of Enlightenment, and that's usually my Ego-Mind's view, right? -- think about it!  But that's a bit immature in my experience.  I don't particularly care about Kundalini, but others think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.  More power to them!  I'm not trying to take anything away from them.  If that works for them, great, I'm happy for them.  Moreover, I hope they're happy for me in how I prefer to view Enlightenment.  I think it's a bit naive to think there's "one right way" to think about Enlightenment.  That expectation doesn't comport with experience.

Edited April 3, 2019 by Joseph Maynor

[peanutspathtotruth]

19 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I think we need to be less defensive and less protective and less controlling and allow this Forum to be an open place where a wide variety of contrasting ideas are considered and debated.

Very very important yes. I feel like the nature of this being a forum greatly increases the tendencies of protectiveness etc.

I always wonder, although there are many interesting discussions in this forum, if all this is confusing me more than it is really helping me... 

[legendary]

38 minutes ago, thesmileyone said:

I wonder if a lot of people have active Kundalini and don't know it though. I have, for years, had all the signs / symptoms of K awakening / activity yet I didn't get the "extreme bliss" that supposedly HAS TO come with it. Which made me think for years there was something wrong with me as I was doing K yoga and other stuff, recieved Jan's "shaktipat in absentia" ($100 necklace) and nada...

I spoke with Jan about Kundalini Shakti about such a case. Here's what he said:

You probably had Kundalini arousal, and not awakening. Awakening is possible only when the knots in the subtle body are untied, either by hardcore practice or by Shaktipat.

And Kundalini awakening doesn't gurantee bliss asap. It gurantees that awakened kundalini will guide you towards liberation. It's up to you to follow that guidance,

[Aakash]

@Joseph Maynor yeah thats a good point, however, most people here havent experienced it so they're going to be theorising until it comes home, its a trap we all fall into so eventually we can lay people straight from those who have fallen into the trap if they are right or wrong because its as you said people become attached to their ideas which isn't healthy. none the less, if it works for them it works for them, again they won't think they're wrong and so won't continue to deconstruct again. 

as a teacher you correct, as a student you let go 

there may not be one right way to it, but there's still a correct enlightenment truth which we are all trying to get to, otherwise i see no point of being on this sub-forum. 

so its better just to correct someone there and then instead of being so indirect about it and letting them continue, 

i've had to shed my viewpoint alot of times and at the time it may not have been what i wanted, but its benefit me all the more

[Richard Alpert]

Zzenn is expert on kundalini.

Like him or not he has debunked he knows his stuff.

 

[tecladocasio]

13 minutes ago, Richard Alpert said:

Zzenn is expert on kundalini.

@Richard Alpert But kundalini does not exist ...

[Truth Addict]

12 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Just saw this:

 

This is hilarious, Leo won't ever be naive enough to accept such childish competition.

The forum is open for everyone if zzenn wants to make a conversation with Leo. We all did and do all the time, we criticise Leo and learn from him, he's very humble and responsive.

[Nevon]

1 hour ago, tecladocasio said:

@Richard Alpert But kundalini does not exist ...

kundalini does exist.

[thesmileyone]

4 hours ago, legendary said:

I spoke with Jan about Kundalini Shakti about such a case. Here's what he said:

You probably had Kundalini arousal, and not awakening. Awakening is possible only when the knots in the subtle body are untied, either by hardcore practice or by Shaktipat.

And Kundalini awakening doesn't gurantee bliss asap. It gurantees that awakened kundalini will guide you towards liberation. It's up to you to follow that guidance,

Or maybe I didn't have Kundalini anything. The problem with "masters of one" is that they cannot see, nor can they accept, anything other than their own belief.

Also Jan required RASA to take him forward on his path, he was crystalized in the 900's (Rasa scale) and obsessed with the "blue being" he speaks of.

Some of the people in the group I was in were visiting Jan for shaktipat (in person) whom were already stable in Self-realization and nonduality; again the things he claims are not present without Kundalini fully awake.

[Richard Alpert]

3 hours ago, tecladocasio said:

@Richard Alpert But kundalini does not exist ...

1 hour ago, Nevon said:

kundalini does exist.

yea, it exist. we can use different words for it, but it is real.

[sgn]

4 hours ago, tecladocasio said:

@Richard Alpert But kundalini does not exist ...

Trust me it does.

[Joseph Maynor]

4 hours ago, Truth Addict said:

This is hilarious, Leo won't ever be naive enough to accept such childish competition.

The forum is open for everyone if zzenn wants to make a conversation with Leo. We all did and do all the time, we criticise Leo and learn from him, he's very humble and responsive.

I do not think it is appropriate to speak for another person.  I always try not to do this myself.

Edited April 3, 2019 by Joseph Maynor

[Truth Addict]

9 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I do not think it is appropriate to speak for another person.  I always try not to do this myself.

Right, I shouldn't.

But anyways, that's what I think.

[Joseph Maynor]

I just saw this:

 

Edited April 3, 2019 by Joseph Maynor

[cetus]

9 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

All I will say is I think this Forum is best when we have a free flow of ideas, even if those ideas are hostile

@Joseph Maynor I agree with all of what you said with the exception of the above. But then again it's Leo's forum.

[Joseph Maynor]

@cetus56 You've misrepresented what I said.  You left out words.  I bolded the omitted words and underlined some.

I said, "I don't want to speak for Leo.  All I will say is I think this Forum is best when we have a free flow of ideas, even if those ideas are hostile or critical to our own ideas."

 

Edited April 3, 2019 by Joseph Maynor

[Aakash]

@Joseph Maynor @cetus56 if you really want to get into the heart of things 

there is no structure to our debates 

each person says their beliefs and then the conclusive evidence behind it, so its a pretty closed arguements 

theres also the problem that people don't have examples and metaphors to back up their points, 

its the only way people understand things more deeply in this line of work 

 

[cetus]

@Joseph MaynorThat's "Nonduality Wars" when you put it in that context.