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If everything else is an illusion, why does Leo make videos?

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7 minutes ago, Shaun said:

So are the teachers who say that consciousness takes the form of everything including all 7.5 billion of our finite minds wrong?

 

Is that a limitation ?


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2 minutes ago, Shin said:

 

Is that a limitation ?

It appears to be from my perspective because if it wasn't limiting itself in some way, in the form of all things I would be aware of the experience of every single living thing in the universe, I would be the godhead itself in its unlimited form.


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Just now, Shaun said:

It appears to be from my perspective because if it wasn't limiting itself in some way, in the form of all things I would be aware of the experience of every single living thing in the universe, I would be the godhead itself in its unlimited form.

But that's a limitation.

If God couldn't experience itself through every sentient being thinking it is separate from every other, it wouldn't be infinite.

It is doing both, and everything you can think + everything you can't think of,

And also not.

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2 minutes ago, Shin said:

But that's a limitation.

If God couldn't experience itself through every sentient being thinking it is separate from every other, it wouldn't be infinite.

It is doing both, and everything you can think + everything you can't think of,

And also not.

:)

12 minutes ago, Shin said:

 

Is that a limitation ?

Hey, just as long as my family are real in some way, it's all good. Otherwise might as well be dead.

 

Another thought I have entertained is that due to how truly infinite the possibilities are, that must mean that Game of Thrones actually really happened?


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Just now, Shaun said:

Hey, just as long as my family are real in some way, it's all good. Otherwise might as well be dead.

 

Another thought I have entertained is that due to how truly infinite the possibilities are, that must mean that Game of Thrones actually really happened?

Depends what is your definition of real is.

Is your last night dream real to you ?


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It is a real dream because it happened but it is different in that it takes place inside an already limited self thus is it subject to the limitations of my brain (which leo says doesn't exist) and as such the imagery and events are unstable and poor quality. Just like a computer game never looks as fluid and real as this reality we supposedly share because it takes place inside a processor that is subject to the limitations of matter.


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Ok we establish everything is an illusion created out of itself.

Realizing that doesn't change you are in the illusion. And it feels real.

The only point of realizing the Truth is to improve your life in the illusion.

Real and illusion are one in the same. 

Trying to comprehend no limitation will just send your brain into a spiral because it is loaded with paradoxes. And it transcends any kind of mental label we could apply.

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1 minute ago, Shaun said:

It is a real dream because it happened but it is different in that it takes place inside an already limited self thus is it subject to the limitations of my brain (which leo says doesn't exist) and as such the imagery and events are unstable and poor quality. Just like a computer game never looks as fluid and real as this reality we supposedly share because it takes place inside a processor that is subject to the limitations of matter.

Are you sure «your» dreams happens inside «your» brain ?

How do «you» know that ?


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18 minutes ago, Shin said:

Are you sure «your» dreams happens inside «your» brain ?

How do «you» know that ?

yes exactly how are you sure your brain does happen in your dreams by the way?

how do you know that it is your dreams?

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14 minutes ago, cetus56 said:

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Not the D word ?

 


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5 minutes ago, Shin said:

Not the D word

 Edit out the "when we die" and make it "when we become enlightened". The "D" word is a little harsh.

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If there is only illusions,

Can you really call anything an illusion ?

What would be the reference point to compare an illusion to something real,

If nothing is real in the first place ?

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@Shaun

I believe no verbal answer is going to help you. You need more practice.

But I wonder, why haven't anyone pointed out that making videos is part of Leo's survival?

Leo is not an angel, he's just a human being with survival needs.

Notice how people can worship their teachers, even though the teacher does not want them to do that.

@Shin @Joseph Maynor you're projecting at each other.

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7 hours ago, Shin said:

If there is only illusions,

Can you really call anything an illusion ?

What would be the reference point to compare an illusion to something real,

If nothing is real in the first place ?

The one experiencing the illusion must be the truth.

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@Shaun if you ever become lucid while dreaming, becoming aware of the fact that you are dreaming doesn't remove you from the dream...you should enjoy the dream and use your new knowledge to your advantage

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2 hours ago, Aaron p said:
23 hours ago, now is forever said:

That doesn't address the problem of the solipsistic madness Leo keeps pedalling in his most recent videos. The belief that I am god and all of you people on this forum are just fake cardboard cutouts is pure madness and it goes against the view that all of us are appearances within consciousness and we all exist together as that. As such I can no longer consider Actualized.org as a platform for personal or spiritual development. The stuff he comes out with is dangerous and a catalyst for psychosis and suicide. If you are all that exists and everything is just fake and empty then you may as well be dead. That is not the fullness of life nor is it awakening. I will be going to a mental health specialist to try and repair the damage Actualized. org has done to me before it is too late. 


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3 minutes ago, Shaun said:

That doesn't address the problem of the solipsistic madness Leo keeps pedalling in his most recent videos. The belief that I am god and all of you people on this forum are just fake cardboard cutouts is pure madness and it goes against the view that all of us are appearances within consciousness and we all exist together as that. As such I can no longer consider Actualized.org as a platform for personal or spiritual development. The stuff he comes out with is dangerous and a catalyst for psychosis and suicide. If you are all that exists and everything is just fake and empty then you may as well be dead. That is not the fullness of life nor is it awakening. I will be going to a mental health specialist to try and repair the damage Actualized. org has done to me before it is too late. 

You're doing it to yourself.

Stop believing in your crazy and silly thoughts.


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3 hours ago, Shin said:

You're doing it to yourself.

Stop believing in your crazy and silly thoughts.

They are facts which Leo presents to us in his videos. Or is he lying to us? 


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3 hours ago, Shaun said:

That doesn't address the problem of the solipsistic madness Leo keeps pedalling in his most recent videos. The belief that I am god and all of you people on this forum are just fake cardboard cutouts is pure madness and it goes against the view that all of us are appearances within consciousness and we all exist together as that. As such I can no longer consider Actualized.org as a platform for personal or spiritual development. The stuff he comes out with is dangerous and a catalyst for psychosis and suicide. If you are all that exists and everything is just fake and empty then you may as well be dead. That is not the fullness of life nor is it awakening. I will be going to a mental health specialist to try and repair the damage Actualized. org has done to me before it is too late. 

I love Leo, but you have a lot of very valid concerns. Leo says himself he has a hardnosed masculine approach to enlightenment. He is overly focused on the dark aspects of self, and I'm really hoping he comes back and balances those out more. In the meantime it's important to balance his teachings with a lot more softer approaches (or non-approaches) to awakening and wisdom, Pema Chodron, Eckhart Tolle, Tara Brach, etc. 


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