How am I supposed to learn if my mind deceives me?

[F A B]

We learn through observation and direct experience. But then Leo reminds us that our mind is deceptive.

I'm lost. 

[ground]

15 minutes ago, F A B said:

We learn through observation and direct experience.

Well ... no, there is no direct experience. Experience always is muddled by intuition/conceptuality. Conventionally, i.e. in the world you learn through observation and experience. But that is mundane learning.

15 minutes ago, F A B said:

But then Leo reminds us that our mind is deceptive.

I'm lost. 

Ordinary mind is deceptive. Ordinary mind is that of mundane learning, that of learning through observation and experience.

 

[ground]

So to come to a conclusion:

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How am I supposed to learn if my mind deceives me?

There is nothing to learn if ordinary mind ceases. Enlightenment is a matter of cessation, not a matter of learning.

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, F A B said:

I'm lost. 

Yes, that's a good thing to realize, constantly.

You find yourself in an infinite maze without any idea which way is up or down.

Now the exploration begins.

[Strikr]

16 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes, that's a good thing to realize, constantly.

You find yourself in an infinite maze without any idea which way is up or down.

Now the exploration begins.

@Leo Gura

and where your exploration worked so far .. ? can you make an episode or a topic on this..

that would be cool to help the more lost of us, "grounding us in the no ground"

[robdl]

1 hour ago, F A B said:

We learn through observation and direct experience. But then Leo reminds us that our mind is deceptive.

I'm lost. 

thought's sneaky and self-deceiving nature is also to be observed and learned about.

[F A B]

14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You find yourself in an infinite maze without any idea which way is up or down.

This is why I prefer sudoku

[Jack River]

5 minutes ago, robdl said:

thought's sneaky and self-deceiving nature is also to be observed and learned about.

And thought/self would love nothing more than to skip that. 

[Arkandeus]

If you know your mind is deceiving you,

Is it not teaching you about all the ways into which you can be deceived?

[Leo Gura]

Contemplation Using A Journal is a great place to start. I have a video by that title.

[DrewNows]

4 hours ago, ground said:

There is nothing to learn if ordinary mind ceases. Enlightenment is a matter of cessation, not a matter of learning.

Cessation comes in the learning/observation 

direct experience is there until it isn’t 

@F A Bwe can’t take anyone’s word the mind is deceiving us...if you can see it first hand then you just gotta start being aware of it

if you can’t yet well start observing/examining all your thoughts ??