Summary of "People Are Not All Equal" by Teal Swan.

[Kosmos]

3 hours ago, CreamCat said:

• We are not going to be able to make things equal in this world. Therefore, stop fighting for equality.
• What we need to fight for is love, awareness, and intrinsic value instead.

Could these instructions be more reflective of where you are personally at in your own development, and what the appropriate focus is for you personally, rather than where the "we" of humanity is at?

Humanity is a chaotic dance forward into the point of all places. All sorts of "fight for X" and "fight for Y" are currently going on. In a way they are all necessary, and all necessary to reject. It all has upsides and downsides, while being eternally unchanging.

 

"Individual progress VS Equality" is one of those polarities. They are just ways of chopping up reality into digestible pieces to munch on.

So far humanity has not moved forward by having holistic communication, we move forward by increasingly abstract fights. Yet even a holistic conversation is just a "fight" between conversations that are fragmented and conversations that are whole.

[CreamCat]

4 minutes ago, Kosmos said:

Could these instructions be more reflective of where you are personally at in your own development, and what the appropriate focus is for you personally, rather than where the "we" of humanity is at?

I didn't write those instructions. Teal Swan did. But, I resonate with them.

It is reflective of my own situations and my own development. I can't speak for others.

[Kosmos]

42 minutes ago, SOUL said:

Anyone who is attempting to portray any of the compassionate policies mentioned here that a republic would employ to promote the general welfare, which is a constitutional charge on the government by the way, is instead a wholesale endorsement of a communist or socialist government is ignorant.

Anyone who would equate equality according to the law with equality of outcome and decide because equality of outcome cannot be achieved that equality of the law isn't worth fighting for is ignorant.

I think there is a damaging (yet necessary) frame war constantly going on.

The purpose of portraying "situation X" as having "meaning Y" isn't to literally give it meaning Y. It is because "meaning Y" fits in with a network of 10,000 other meanings and perspectives which floating around in the ether, that more or less balance in a game of Jenga to keep the whole show running and on track. All of that needs to remain hidden though, otherwise "meaning Y" falls apart, as does it's purpose.

For example, I love your points here and agree that those conflations are ignorant. Yet at the same time, I suspect that kind of ignorance is also necessary and useful. It gives people a truth to cling onto that they will push for in an attempt to resolve a problem. The less awareness privilege someone has, the smaller the truth they are able to grasp onto.

It's like humanity is a beautiful web made up of ignorant solutions, none of them pure, all of them perfect.

[Kosmos]

42 minutes ago, CreamCat said:

I didn't write those instructions. Teal Swan did. But, I resonate with them.

It is reflective of my own situations and my own development. I can't speak for others.

I'd thought they were your summary, I hadn't realized they were a verbatim quote from her.

She makes a bunch of great points, and is clearly coming from a place of "post equality", not "pre equality".

[11modal11]

@CreamCat wow this video is exactly how i feel. and felt before i stumbled upon and then ditched enlightenment and spiral dynamics. I had zero self consciousness in comparison to others because i just only valued whatever resonated with me and cared about nothing else. anything else is just trying to live up to some ideal like "enlightenment" or "spiral dynamics" which actually causes suffering ironically...amazing video!

[11modal11]

in fact i have zero idea about any outside world other than my immediate moment to moment experience and boards like this, i literally live in my own fantasy world and just make art and go have fun all day with part time easy work on the computer! This is the way to live! COMPLETE DELUSION! EXACTLY HOW A CHILD LIVES! that is TRUE HAPPINESS!

[CreamCat]

39 minutes ago, 11modal11 said:

i literally live in my own fantasy world and just make art and go have fun all day with part time easy work on the computer!

Are you a beginning visual artist?

[11modal11]

@CreamCat music

[11modal11]

i also spend a lot of the time dancing around or meditating in feeling into the imagination of fantastical scenarios or colors to the point where it feels like a full body orgasm lol

Edited September 17, 2018 by 11modal11

[11modal11]

wow i really like teal swan i need to watch more of these videos

[Leo Gura]

@see_on_see Not really changed my mind, it's just a consequence of being THE ALL. The All is all things at all times. So there is no one you will not be.

[Strikr]

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Great, but this is a bit of a dangerous idea:

This idea will easily get abused by right-wing egos in the political sphere to enslave others and maintain a grotesquely unequal status quo.

You can see people making this kind of argument in defense of slavery: "Oh, they don't need equality. That's impossible anyway. Let's just love them more while they pick our cotton for us."

this is your answer that is dangerous and abused.

yes I abused my whole life believing whore don't like to be whore. You should experience more about human psychology, you reflect your own place feeling as a abused slave around ignorant people who don't "green agenda" their life. In fact this is your feeling reflected on everyone. This isn't TRUE. ( it's your ego if you want )

 

SLAVEs LOVE SLAVERY, this is a fact, you can't believe it, but fucking believe it, ask them, why don't you fight for freedom ? but .. I m not a slave ?

 

in fact by saying people they are slaves, when they wasn't aware of being it, you convert them to your ideas of reality, they never feel themself like slaves.

 

GUESS WHAT I WAS WRONG, people who have a life of misery love it, they love it, they care for it, if not, why they continue ? better die than misery ? no, and the proof is this sad people/nihilistic, they see the world as shit, but they keep striving, why that ? because WE LOVE OUR MISERY.

we love this game of hard and good, if it was only good, maybe we would find life misery in the end, and the cycle would tell us, to go back to our old misery. 

 because otherwise they would kill themself if they wasn't happy of their condition/life or ! fight to not be in it. ( mental fight at list )

slavery as liberated itself. You can't liberate the mind of a slave who isn't aware of being a slave. And maybe telling him that he is one, is only makes him feel suffer for no reason.

 

You can't help or change the world, the only part of the world you can change is yourself.

this is why I started this work, change myself, my view, not the world ( as I wanted when I was kid ), maybe the only thing I can change is my place in the world.

You can't tame a wild river with your hand, > life is the fucking river in the picture

 

Edited September 17, 2018 by Strikr

[CreamCat]

56 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@see_on_see Not really changed my mind, it's just a consequence of being THE ALL. The All is all things at all times. So there is no one you will not be.

That makes me want to puke. The thought of becoming my parents' dog that was killed in a car accident is sickening.

Perhaps, this reincarnation thing is not serial but infinitely parallel. Think of an infinitely parallel processor. Why do you think I will be reincarnated as a dog or something else after I physically die? I might be being reincarnated millions of times even now.

I want to be reincarnated as the overseer of reality or some sort of creature with god-like power. I want to taste godhood of some sort. This human life doesn't really feel like godhood. I want to know the reach of godhood. I want to make a house appear out of nothing.

Edited September 17, 2018 by CreamCat

[p1xelmonk]

25 minutes ago, Strikr said:

SLAVEs LOVE SLAVERY, this is a fact, you can't believe it, but fucking believe it, ask them, why don't you fight for freedom ? but .. I m not a slave ?

in fact by saying people they are slaves, when they wasn't aware of being it, you convert them to your ideas of reality, they never feel themself like slaves.

GUESS WHAT I WAS WRONG, people who have a life of misery love it, they love it, they care for it, if not, why they continue ? better die than misery ? no, and the proof is this sad people/nihilistic, they see the world as shit, but they keep striving, why that ? because WE LOVE OUR MISERY.

 because otherwise they would kill themself if they wasn't happy of their condition/life or ! fight to not be in it. ( mental fight at list )

jesus christ. yeah you seriously do need to change yourself, having a single ounce of compassion might do you some good.

[p1xelmonk]

4 minutes ago, CreamCat said:

I want to be reincarnated as the overseer of reality or some sort of creature with god-like power. I want to taste godhood of some sort. This human life doesn't really feel like godhood.

lol 

 

 

[Strikr]

1 minute ago, p1xelmonk said:

jesus christ. yeah you seriously do need to change yourself, having a single ounce of compassion might do you some good.

fire burn, water flock

every elements his place for order, there is nothing to change

[How to be wise]

Teal Swan seems to be a very clear person. Everything in this world is perfect the way it is. Of course including racism and slavery. 

[Samuel Garcia]

 

12 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@CreamCat You will care about equality more when you realize that you will reincarnate as every living being who ever lived or will live. That will sober the smugness out of ya.

Where did you get this from? Have many other traditional spiritual paths claimed you will reincarnate as everyone? Sounds like hell tbh.

[Scholar]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@see_on_see Not really changed my mind, it's just a consequence of being THE ALL. The All is all things at all times. So there is no one you will not be.

But the all is the source of suffering, if one is conscious of being the all, why do something about something the all has created in the first place?

[Hellspeed]

As body/mind and entities we are as humans, no one is equal. Only on paper, and maybe opportunities in business.