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Spiral Dynamics Stage Turquoise Examples Mega-Thread

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I may be to naive and overly optimistic to post this video here, but I still want to give it a shot.

I could not find a better video to mention the term cross training but I believe this term is extremely valuable.

The idea of cross training is that a person becomes better by learning other roles and skills that are related to the role that one is currently fulfilling... (Escaping the boxes defined through dualities...)

This allows for greater perspectives (yellow) but also for greater synthesis of knowledge and skills (turquoise), allowing for bigger picture. Cross training also opens one's mind.




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He gives more information about the Satori, explaining not just the positive sides to it, but the downsides. If you get a career that you like, it's not likely that you'll be able to share it with others there. Who would be interested? It's probably not allowed. You are only there to do your job. It's a conflict of interest. It's more likely that you'll be able to share it through a life purpose if you get creative and cunning with it. Don't push it at others, but find a way to express it there so that it could be "planted as a seed" in ppl's minds.

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2min vid:

There is an audiobook where they talk about time, yet I think this is a different discussion. Which could be interesting for some.


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Turquoise wisdom from an enlightened tortoise


“All you need is Love” - John Lennon

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On 5/10/2019 at 1:51 AM, Pullmyfinger said:

@Neorez I wouldn't even put her in Green. If you just spend a little time checking out her content on youtube you can clearly see that she has psychological issues, she spent 13 years in an abusive cult before she escaped. You don't just leave a cult like that and have no issues, There are lots of allegations against her. If you just spend a small bit time doing research on her you can see she is a Fake. she has all the spiritual lingo to impress but she probably learned all of this when she was in her cult. She might not have Cult yet but its heading that way or maybe its already happening. These Types of Fake spiritual teachers are very dangerous because they can confuse people and lead them off the path and can cause a lot of damage. 


Do not quote RationalWiki ever on this forum. It's delusion of the highest order. You can link to it in the Stage Orange Examples Mega-Thread for us to laugh at.

Rationalism is a religion.

You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity.

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I'd definitely put Joe Dispenza's teachings/understanding in here: 


What do you think? And what about Bob Proctor?

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This guy Richard Rohr has a very turquoisy/nondual view on Jesus Christ. I think it's relevant because it's (somewhat surprisingly) not being rejected by the Christian masses because he knows how to present it to Christians in a gentle way without causing massive backlash. Could be a great way for Christians to move up the spiral

"Only that which can change can continue."

-James P. Carse

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On 5/10/2019 at 1:51 AM, Pullmyfinger said:

@Neorez I wouldn't even put her in Green. If you just spend a little time checking out her content on youtube you can clearly see that she has psychological issues, she spent 13 years in an abusive cult before she escaped. You don't just leave a cult like that and have no issues, There are lots of allegations against her. If you just spend a small bit time doing research on her you can see she is a Fake. she has all the spiritual lingo to impress but she probably learned all of this when she was in her cult. She might not have Cult yet but its heading that way or maybe its already happening. These Types of Fake spiritual teachers are very dangerous because they can confuse people and lead them off the path and can cause a lot of damage. 




Teal Swan was never in a cult. She made the whole thing up. The "cult leader" who held her captive, was a nice old man that was a friend of her family, that took her in to work with horses at his veterinary ranch when she was a teenager. In return she made him the central figure in her delusions. All well documented by some reporters who found her stories to be bullshit and did some digging and found this man and interviewed him. Teal is a delusional con artist. 

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All these lessons in the relative truth:

Came from the absolute truth:

God (No-self/Truth) --> Everythingness --> Singularity (Riding the Ox Backwards/Black, White Hole) --> to love realm (embodiment into an ego, earth, and universe)

Since this is the case, life itself is a reflection of the absolute truth.

Life is a school. This could be an indication of another awakening when you experience that life is a school. Since life is a school, some teachers don't recommend that you keep trying to induce awakenings. If you do, your life path and spiritual path may be misguided because it doesn't really reflect the truth. Both paths will not be in correlation with each other. This could be an indication of neediness--the need to get rid of the ego and not wanting to embody in it again. (Skipping school. :P) The path is a journey of lessons to be learned and embodied. If you didn't learn the lesson yet, why do you deserve to experience the profound wisdom?

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A metaphyscial masterpiece . Probably the deepest , most mindfuck comics I have read so far . Could as well have put it in the Strange Loop thread but it would have been a bit of a spoiler ;)  Probably the only comics you can still enjoy reading post enlightenment ... as a reminder ...




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Spiral Dynamics Stage Turquoise gone from Youtube?

Leo, why is your video gone? I am getting worried. I think this video is very deep and profound, why would the youtube remove it? I am glad I did take notes from it, your newest video "Launching On Patreon" talking about getting banned from youtube makes sense now.

Here is my notes from your video:

We are beginning to see the entire universe as a holographically interlinked network of energy and information, organically whole and self-referential at all scales of existence - Ervin Laszlo

Out Beyond ideas of wrong-doing and right-doing there is a field. Ill meet you there -Rumi

A samadhi beats an orgasm every time -Unknown

Turquoise is T2

Magnificence of being and existence really starts to flower.

T2 and Turquoise is beyond survival, beyond ego, beyond fear, beyond idealogy, beyond politcal parties, beyond racial affiliations or anything like that. Moving into self transcedence and selfless living.

People on stages in spiral belives people on other stages in spiral are insane or deluded.
Blue - Yellow growth = 1%. Turquoise is where 99% of the work starts. Physical reality will start to disolve -  everything you thought were obvious about the world. At Turqoise you are ready to jailbreak the mind and discover what is beyond the mind.

Science never really tells you how you should apply this in your life and what you can do with this which this to actually develop yourself
Science boils down to quantification and measurements. (Measuring reality with a ruler, in verious form and writing down the data)

Very big perspective of what life is about
Not about me becoming rich, famous or successful. Or fighthing for some political cause for my little group. Not about saving the whales, a hierarchy, a civilization. Its about getting all of mankind to awaken to the magnificence of existence. To which most of mankind is utterly asleep. (Most people have not met a turquoise human being, they excist but are very rare)

Essence of Turquoise

Collectivist (different from green, Manifesting the self for the benefit of existential reality,life)
• Holistic
• Global collectivist
• Self transcendent
• To experience the wholeness of existence through mind and spirit The world is seen as a single dynamic organism with its own collective mind. Everything connects to everything else, alot of boundaries break down and there are alot of ecological alignments. The universe is alive and intelligent. Its not a dumb clockwork machine.
• Interesting in building a human communtiy based on mystical wisdom. (the deepest wisdom that is possible to access for mankind)
• Interested in cooparate action for elevating the consciousness of mankind
• Turqoise is a synthesis of the left and right brain, east and west science and religion, mind, body, spirit and heart. All of it coming togheter to function very smoothly and effortlessly for the benefit of all of life and of consciousness.
• People at turquoise usually become gurus, sages, teachers, leaders, visionaries, healers and clairvoyance

When does Turquoise emerge?

• With realization that yellow has that it alone no matter how much it models and understands stuff it cannot solve the worlds problems just through its systemic understanding
• When yellow starts to see the consciouseness unifies everything and everyone.
The idea that consciousness is central. All verious problems mankind have all boils down to consciousness
• When Yellow starts to see very deeply the limits of thinking and modeling and the scientific method, reason and logic. Ready to go beyond the mind
• When yellow starts to realize that all of the answers and understanding that it has developed so far has not been the ultimate answer.
• Emerges with very serious spiritual practice
• Turquoise is a flowering of mysticism.
• With the transcendence of your ego
• Awereness of Maya The dream that we are in, when you start to realize that whats happening in here is a game, its a virtual simulation, its a hallucination, there is nothing tangible about whats happening right here or about this body. All the ways that the mind deludes us and creates these very solid seeming tangible illusions.
• When Yellow realize the mind and the undersanding of it self does not bring happiness
• Shift from learning about stuff to being one with the many

Turquoise Values

• Consciousness
• Truth - Existensial and metaphysical
• Deep metaphysical insights
• Metaphysics
• Wisdom / Wisdom of nature Wisdom is not something just human beings have, its inherent to all of reality because the boundary between human beings and reality starts to break
• Mysticism, spirituality and non-duality, god and divinity
God and divinity are very different ideas from at blue. (blue=bearded anthropomorphic bearded man in the clouds, This right here is God. God is consciousness.
• Holism, integration and synthesis vs analysis (interconnect)
• Left and right brain synthesis
• Honesty, transparancy and radical authenticity
• Being. vs knowing, doing and having.
• Simplicity, flowing with nature, effortless plesureable life
• Minimalist sustainable living, collaborative syngergy, human wellness
• Healing, the physical, emotional and spiritual dimension
• Exploring altered states of consciousness
• Intuiton, channeling or direct downloads from infinite intelligence
• Supernatural degrees of creativity
• Supernatural visionary (see connections that mankind will not see yet),
• Spiritual purification
• Awakening, transendence, libeartion, unconditional love, compassion for all, emotional mastery, presence, mindfullness, paradox, esoteric teachings, gratitude, unity, deeper and deeper levels of interconnectedness, selfless living, sacrificing the self for greater consciousness of the whole, meditation, yoga, contemplation, self-inquiry.
• Not knowing and humility, spontaneity, playfulness and self-amusement
• Tends to be light hearted Ego is the heavy hearted with fears and problems
• The really big picture

Distinct Turquoise with Green

• Real mysticism vs new-agey faddish spiritual practices Casual meditation vs at turquoise you start to have industrial levels of meditation and contemplation
• Turquoise is informed by direct non-dual experiences rather than beliefs and ideas.
• Embraces global collectivism without attacking the individual like green did
• Turquoise is consciuouss of the spiral and is a spiral wizard.
• Not as triggered by injustices.
• There is acceptance from deep understanding of intolerance, conflict, war, violence, greed and evil. (where as green just reacting against them, against orange greed and materialism, turqiouese understands thats life, how the ego evolves. Its not because they are bad, its because they are a treat to you(ego))
• Avoids mob mentality that comes with green.
• Awareness of ego and there is more mindfullness and presence in turquoise
• More emotional mastery than green
• Non reactive and detached vs green was very reactive and attached
• Effective solving large problems vs getting togheter and talk/protest.

Characteristics of Turquoise

• Turquoise sees the human race as a single organism Everything is connected. Sees the dissolution of the physical boundaries between self and other. Such that you can no longer differntiate between your physical body, the universe and your enemies. (there is no difference between you and coffee table)
• Use the world as interlinked causes and effects in interacting fields of energy.
• For turquiose there is joint activity accross groups, factions and communities spiritual bonds pull people togheter, communities are not just physical but also conecptual because "physical" is actually a concept. Physical itself is not physical.
• Feelings and emotions come back into play
• Work must be meaningful to the overall health of life
• Deep trust of intuition and instinct
• The self is a part of a large conscious spiritual whole you are not just a little individual human being or human body as you've always thought
• Non -manipulative -ideological and -judgemental.
• Not driven by fear or selfless selifshness
• Does not play victim or blame games
• Deeper mental and spiritual capacites are awakened
• New sences and abilites you would think were superhuman become ordinary and human. There is new control over bodily processes, there is a heightened sensory awareness.
• Paranormal abilities can develop or as the Yogi's call the cities.
• Healing abilities, telepathy, astral projection, ESP, clairvoyance and remote viewing which seems odderly fantastical, religious and superstitious to stages below which are stuck in material paradgim.
• The mystical becomes the mundane, the paranormal becomes normal.
• Having inspiring levels of emotional mastery
• Likes minimalist living. Less is more.
• Ecologicaly conscious like green was.
• Being visionary and being an inspiring leader
• There is a unification of science, technology, medicine and mysticism
• Deep understanding and unification of all religions, picks the best parts of them and throw away all the junk, corruption and ego stuff that has corrupted those traditions. All of them are really pointing to the same stuff.
• There is a synthesis with western technology and eastern mysticism.
• Theres an understanding of the fullness of the spiral and turquoise uses all the layers proactively and holistically
• Sees everything at once before doing anything spesific
• There is a colletive imperative and there is mutual interdependencies that reign supreme over your individual egoic needs.
• If turquoise is engaged in business its gonna be a business with soul that probably tries to awaken you in some fashion.
• There is a sense of a greater community bulit around spiritual emobidment. Turquoise is the 6. and 7. chakra
• Turquoise action comes from selfless love and open heart
• Has a great mental and behavioral flexibility
• Sexual desire is transmuted into metaphysical love. (not always the case but for really exceptional turquoise people, outgrown from the lower chakras)
• Excellent in dealing with paradoxes
• Tend to be very wise and teach in unorthodox styles.
• Is post rional and post material
• Connects to being rather than quantifying or categorizing the world. That enterprise is over. Its way too limited.
• Is non-linear
• Is human-centered
• Has a supernatural intuition
• Has an ability to connect to source
• Tends to have high integrity and is able to actually follow through that integrity
• For Turquoise the universe is both impersonal and deeply personal. And thats a paradox they resolve. (need to be experienced to understand)
• Turquoise is conscious of the miracle of life. Everything becomes mystical, amazing and magical.
• Has a constant attention to ever-expanding implications of everything.
• Turquoise is even a deeper systems thinker than yellow was. Systems now are not just mechanical things, they are alive, imbued with intelligence. Intelligence is not something that human beings possess the way that orange arrogantly belives. Intelligence is permeated through the entire universe. Every aspect of being is intelligent. The entire arrangement of the univcerse is infinte intelligence at work.
• For Turquoise life consists of fractals. You can see all the interconnections in the fractal nature of everything. Can see the micro right throgh to the macro.
• Stands in awe at the cosmic order from quarks to cells to humans, trees, cars, to galaxasies and big bang. All of it is awesome,miracle,magical,amazing, all of it interconnects with everything else.
• For Turquoise reality can be experienced but never truly known. Reality is fundamentally irreducibly, mysterious and mystical.
• There is a dissolution of the ego.
• For turquoise there is a paradox that on the one hand life is the most important thing there is and yet on the other hand my own life is completly unimportant. My death does not matter.
• Turquoise can detect the harmonic forces which govern organizations, which makes turquoise good at leading and running organizations
• Turquoise is good by setting a good example/being a good role model
• Turquoise is a movement away from the gross materialism. From gross stuff to subtle stuff turquoise develops the capacity to sense the subtle aspects of reality.
• Going from the external to the internal
• There is a transcendence of morality, meaning, judgement, life and death, duality, mind, reason, science and good and evil.
• Is finally able to have really deep honest meaningful relationships and communication. Beyond the shallow petty clinginess, neediness and materialism that came with orange,green and yellow. The reason we have shitty relationships is because we have relationships to statisfy our own needs. Gross materialistic needs. They are all about manipulation. Not sustainable and thats why it ends. Turquoise is relating from a non needy place, from a much more honest place. These types of relationships are like next-level/super human relationships. As orange or green you dont know what a true communication face-to-face with a human being is because you are so wrapped up in your own ego and unconscious of the dynamics that the ego is playing and how it is distorting your ability to relate to other people and to communicate honestly with other people. Examples of Turquoise
• Sadguru, the Isha foundation,
• Shunya Murti, a western Yogi from costa rica (example of Intergration of all religions, science and holism)
• Thomas Campbell
• Yoda (globalist community minded and mystical)
• David Hawkins, Ken Wilber, Shinzen young, Deepak Chopra
• Stan Grof, (high yellow, early turquise)
• Osho (netflix, still not perfect society)
• Mooji, Rama G, Rupert Spira, A cartoles, New earth
• Yogananda, Maarten ball,
• Terence McKenna, Carl Jung (yellow/Turquoise)
• Sri Aurobindo (solid turquoise)
• Pierre tel yard, Erven Laszlo, David loy, Allan watts
• Wim hof, Mat khan, the dalai lama, sacha shulgin
• Yoga, holotrophic breathwork, the book: the holographic universe, the akashic records, the new oh sphere, opening the third eye, the pineal gland, out-of-body experiences, samadhi experiences, cities, paranormal abilities, clairvoyance, channels, mediums like Bashar, stuff that aleister crowley was doing, Rudolf steiner
• Alternative healing systems, the notion of maya, pshychedelics, 5MEO-DMT,
• From Star Trek the Q race
• Rupert Sheldrake`s "more for genetic fields" (turquise concept)
• Dene Radin`s paranormal research
• Gandhi`s ideas of pluralistic harmony
• The notion of Gaia, earth as a living system, Biocentrism,
• The monrone institute, The Esalen institute,
• Transpersonal pshycholigy as an entire field, Jung`s collective unconscious and various kinds of archetypes
• Quantum field theory (starting to show the interconnectedness and the nonlinear infinate nothingness that everything is)
• Sacred geometry, reincarnation, opening chakras
• Saints, sages, mystics and prophets.

Less then 0,1% of the global population is at Turquoise
Turquiose has less than 1% of total world influence or power

Style of Government: we do not really have any examples yet. We have some small communities.
Based on these small communities it would look something like this:
A holistic organism, micro management of all life-forms torwards common good in respone to macro problems. What life means supersedes any special, natural ethnic or ideological groupings. The purpose of this society is to elevate the consciousness of all of mankind.

Spiral dynamics vs Non-duality

• You can be in a non-dual state but not stage turquoise.
• Spiral dynamics is more about how culture becoming more complicated and sophisticated and dealing with more complicating problems
• Non-duality is another variable.

Turquoise Slogans

Everything is one, we are all god, You are already enlightned, everyting is perfect and at the same time everything is evolving, to see a world in a grain of sand and heaven in a wild flower, the kingdom of heaven is within, forgive them father for they know not what they do, I am that, life is a dream.

What triggers Turquoise?

Not that much, you worked alot on non-judgemental and detachment. Turquoise is quite understandning of how Maya works, how ignorrant works (where triggering basically comes from). Has a fairly robust degree of emotional maturity and mastery which helps to take the edge of alot of stuff.
• The insanity of the world - sees how unsustainable all these actions are.
• The status quo. - frustrating that our government,politics and economics are still at such a low level of development.
• Myopia - the limitied vision that people can have.
• Materialistic corruption
• Profit over truth and spirit
• Profit over heart
• Dogmatic, scientism and rationalsim - quantifying
• Ecological dysfunction
• By the collective suffering of mankind. All of mankind suffering is largely self-inflicted.
• By little petty mundane affairs.

Turquoise limitations/unhealthy manifistations

• Can become too mystical and too spiritual. To the point where they become unconcerned with earthly problems. Where they can just go off and live in a cave all by themseleves or like a hermit.
• They sort of live in their own reality. They are so advanced that it is hard for other people to understand them. They can teach very advanced things that are difficult to relate to for avarge folk. Theirfor they can be misunderstood or their teachings can just fly over peoples heads.
• Can develop a guru complex. Feeds your spiritual ego. Devlop cults.
• Life can become sort of meaningless. Your are just in a dream.
• Can deny the importance of political issues.
• Can assume that other people are just as capable of awakening as they are.
• There can be community division on a grand scale. Turquoise can develop into sort of mega tribes. Turquoise is a mirror or a parallel to purple. Turquioise is also trible but no more enlightned tribalism. There can be conflict and division between these turquoise mega tribes.
• Can become stuck on shallow levels of enlightenment or non-duality. Theres many grees to awakening. Some gurus will have 10-100 more real depth of understandings than other ones. Does not realize there is deeper levels.
• Non-duality wars. Certain gurus criticize other gurus from different traditions. Teaching debates, whos more enlightned and what does it really mean.
• Maha Samadhi. So enlightned that you actually leave your body.

Dont overidealize turquiose

Dont think Turquoise is perfect. A person can not be turquoise if hes not perfect. That he can not do mistakes. Turqouise does not make you moral or good at all. Does not make you special. Egoic goal. Turquoise does not make you enlighetned. Enlightned is an own thing. Dont confuse it with spiral dynamics. Does not make you immune to false beliefs, cultural biases. Culture is something thats rooted very deeply in your mind. Even if you become enlightned you will still have cultural beliefs, preferences and values which are operating on you just from the culture you grew up in. You can be closed to other traditions or cultures just by not opening yourself up to them or not being familiar enough with them.
Turquoise does not make you immune to dangerous social ideas. Its still possible that you will hurt people. Not immune to sexual cravings or addictions.

How to transcend turquoise

You should not worry about transcending turquoise, but embodying turquoise. You can do for 40 years. Your goal should be to pursue non-duality to its fullest and really to transcend spiral dynamics.

How to emobody Turquoise

• Make sure you have a hardcore industrial-grade spiritual practice going. (Meditation, yoga, self-inquiry, contemplation or whatever else)
• Contemplate everything.
• Embody unconditional love.
• Long solo retreats - very helpfull for deepning your connection with being.
• Spiritual purification work of various kind. (shadow work)
• Do 5Meo-DMT
• Join or start spiritual community
• Read turquoise books
• Meet turquoise sages face to face
• Study many religions.
• Study cutting-edge science.
• Study non-dual theory deeply - read at least 30 books.
• Open your chakras, specially the lower ones and heart chakra.
• Transumte your sexual energy.
• Learn alternative healing techniques
• Make sure you go back and master all the stages.
• Keep watching actualized.org.


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This song is a good metaphor for the entering phase of Turquoise (vMEME YELLOW/turquoise)



Black then white are all I see
In my infancy.
Red and yellow then came to be,
Reaching out to me,
Lets me see.

As below, so above and beyond,
I imagine drawn beyond the lines of reason.
Push the envelope. Watch it bend.

Over-thinking, over-analyzing separates the body from the mind.
Withering my intuition, missing opportunities and I must
Feed my will to feel my moment drawing way outside the lines.

Black then white are all I see
In my infancy.
Red and yellow then came to be,
Reaching out to me.
Lets me see

There is so much more
And beckons me
To look through to these
Infinite possibilities.

As below, so above and beyond,
I imagine drawn outside the lines of reason.
Push the envelope. Watch it bend.

Over-thinking, over-analyzing separates the body from the mind.
Withering my intuition, leaving opportunities behind.

Feed my will to feel this moment urging me to cross the line.
Reaching out to embrace the random.
Reaching out to embrace whatever may come.

I embrace my desire to
I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected
Enough to step aside and weep like a widow
To feel inspired, to fathom the power,
To witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain,
To swing on the spiral, to swing on the spiral,

To swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human.

With my feet upon the ground
I lose myself between the sounds
And open wide to suck it in.
I feel it move across my skin.

I'm reaching up and reaching out.
I'm reaching for the random or whatever will bewilder me.
Whatever will bewilder me.

And following our will and wind
We may just go where no one's been.
We'll ride the spiral to the end
And may just go where no one's been.

Spiral out. Keep going. [4x]


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