What do you honestly think is moderate for alcohol per week

[blazed]

A couple of wine glasses a week is actually healthier than no wine in most cases. Problem is I dont see people drinking a couple of wines a week, i see people binge drinking, or drinking garbage drinks. Even non-alcholic drinks like soda drinks, fruit juices, etc. People even drink energy drinks as some sort of "good" thing, and crap like monster and red bull sponser so many events and target online gamer communities and get people hooked on that stuff.

People are absolutely retarded, but when you tell them that they will attack you, because they want to be retarded with no consquences or judgement. Humanity is an utter failure, don't know why god wanted it this way, god is retarded to induce suffering on itself but blah blah blah, polar opposites and infinity etc. etc. don't care god is retarded as far as the ego is concerned, most retarded being ever full stop.

Edited July 14, 2018 by blazed

[Joseph Maynor]

5 hours ago, SpyAquamarine said:

I don't understand why you are asking people's opinions if you want to disput it and  have made your mind up already.

Sure this is a deep personal topic and nobody can answer this for you.

I used to drink alcohol but I was raised in a family where alcohol was as much available as water. As I matured into what I am now, I have no need, desire or cravings. I don't need any subistance in order to relax, socialise, open up, feel happy, fit in or whatever else people use alcohol for. I personaly think if you need a substance in order to function on these very (for me) basic levels, you are missing an opportunity to be your most aunthentic self. 

Also there is the health. I don't care if doctors say red wine is good for the heart or whatever, believe in them if you want to. I feel the effects of alcohol in my body and doesn't feel good. 

I myself have no reason to drink and I am happy with it. It is hard for people around me to accept it though. (I don't preach and don't care about what people do or don't).

I never said I made up my mind.  If I made up my mind, why would I even ask this question?  People are really sensitive around this topic I see.  Thanks for the rest of your answers though.  I appreciate your posts.  It’s funny, people seem so sensitive to alcohol, but then last night (Fri night) I go walking around and everyone’s partying and getting drunk.  Something ain’t adding up here!  I kinda feel like there’s an official answer and then a real answer with alcohol use.  That bothers me and intrigues me in equal measure.  I feel like we don’t get the truth regarding alcohol and how people really feel about it.  That makes someone like me wanna probe the issue until I get the real answer.  I don't take no cheap answers.  I'll penetrate this to the end.  One day I'll find the right answer for me.

Edited July 14, 2018 by Joseph Maynor

[SgtPepper]

@Joseph Maynor

I don't think there is anything wrong with drinking a glass of wine per day while having dinner and occasionally having a second one. Honestly, my parents do this and they are far from alcoholic or drunks. Once a week or so my dad also likes to have whiskey with espresso too. I do not think there is anything wrong with enjoying pleasure.

Personally, for me. I prefer cannabis a lot more, so I rarely drink (like once a month or once every two months) and if I do its to get buzzed/drunk with friends. I don't over do it though. 

[SpyAquamarine]

8 hours ago, Etagnwo said:

You know I went through a stage of the same. I used to think that alcohol was not good. The feeling of it in my body was also  not perceived as feeling good..

But one day I said this freeing epiphany, I raised that "good" was just an arbitrary opinion I held onto. 

As soon as I discovered that my ideals of what I thought were good and bad I was immediately released from them. 

From then on, anything could have appeared as good or bad and didn't make the slightest bit of difference to me.

It's amazing how our values can change as a context changes.

At this point i really have no idea what is right and what is wrong!

Last time (nearly a year ago) that I consumed a very small amount (100ml) of local organic French wine with a meal I imediately felt sick, headache, sleepy and down. I was perfectly ok before. No, it was not the food. It isn't worth it for me and I don't need it. Nothing to do with beliefs of "good" or "bad" it is a physical reaction of my body rejecting it. I am the healthiest person that I know and I understand the messages my body tells me regarding the things I put in.

 

Edited July 14, 2018 by SpyAquamarine

[SpyAquamarine]

5 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

but then last night (Fri night) I go walking around and everyone’s partying and getting drunk.  Something ain’t adding up here!  

Come and hang out where I do and you will see people having real fun drinking only water, coconut water or herbal tea.

[FeathersandPennies]

@Joseph Maynor

It's nice to get opinions and feedback from people but ultimately, "moderate" is going to be different for everyone.   

Our bodies are all unique, that's part of the fun (and sometimes frustration) of the human experience!

Alcohol has never been my favorite.  I don't like the way it makes me feel.  I do love me some caffeine though! Mostly in the form of tea once in a while coffee. 

There is an immense amount of pressure in the city I live in to drink socially though. I mean, we have running marathons that are simultaneously bar hopping for goodness sakes! Ha ha! It's pretty funny. 

Anyway, I think one of the main ideas behind self actualization is to pay close attention to your self. Really be present and honest with yourself about how the things you put in your body make you feel.  It's an ever changing thing too! You may enjoy alcohol for a time then maybe not for another while. Alcohol might put in you in a good zone, it's not for anyone else to decide. 

[Joseph Maynor]

30 minutes ago, FeathersandPennies said:

@Joseph Maynor

It's nice to get opinions and feedback from people but ultimately, "moderate" is going to be different for everyone.   

Our bodies are all unique, that's part of the fun (and sometimes frustration) of the human experience!

Alcohol has never been my favorite.  I don't like the way it makes me feel.  I do love me some caffeine though! Mostly in the form of tea once in a while coffee. 

There is an immense amount of pressure in the city I live in to drink socially though. I mean, we have running marathons that are simultaneously bar hopping for goodness sakes! Ha ha! It's pretty funny. 

Anyway, I think one of the main ideas behind self actualization is to pay close attention to your self. Really be present and honest with yourself about how the things you put in your body make you feel.  It's an ever changing thing too! You may enjoy alcohol for a time then maybe not for another while. Alcohol might put in you in a good zone, it's not for anyone else to decide. 

I’m not asking for anyone to decide for me.  I’m asking for your opinions about you.  And people have done that plus a little moral lecturing.  The idea you have to be 100% free of alcohol to self-actualize or to be Enlightened isn’t conceptually true.  That’s a thought-story in your Conceptual Understanding, which you’re assuming should be universally held.  But thanks for the response.

Edited July 14, 2018 by Joseph Maynor

[SBB4746]

I reckon the no alcohol, no junk food, no caffeine etc gets taken way too seriously on this forum to the point it's like another 10 commandments (stage blue mentality). Yeah it helps to limit the amount but remember life isn't that serious 

[brugluiz]

Since I had my psychotic episode, I feel no much pleasure in drinking beer (before that, I would drink a craft beer a week). I don't know if it's due to antipsychotics that make me numb. Anyway, I still drink beer sometimes, but it's just one or two glasses. When I hang out with my friends, I have a craft beer (but I'm not going out too much these days).

It all depend on your choices. I think the main question should be: "Can you live happily without alcohol?"

My answer is: "Yes, you can."

[laurastarla]

On the cultural point- I've been living in France for 12 years, they are crazy about their wine! But I don't know any French person who drinks daily. I asked a bunch of people while I was out tonight - consensus was 2 glasses of red wine a day is too much. Some people mentioned their grandparents or people in the countryside might still drink wine with every dinner. Not meant to be scientific, mmkay. Over the last 2 generations consumption has cut in half (a french dude googled this, we were super into it.)

If my goal is to be aware, why would I do something regularly that I can literally feel sucking away my level of awareness and suppresses energy the next day? Sure once in a while, like you are saying, no need for a fixed rule; the only times in my life I had a frequent desire to drink were - tough times when I couldnt deal with myself. When I'm in tune I just don't desire it.

[p1xelmonk]

lmao this thread is pure gold, the guy who thinks it's fact he's better than everyone else on the forum including leo asking about alcohol consumption per week hahahah. god I love this forum.

[Emerald]

@Joseph Maynor I would say, once a week getting a little tipsy is still in the moderate range as long as you don't overdo it. I would say that getting drunk should probably only happen once a month max. 

Now, of course, none of this is ideal. Alcohol is never healthy for the body, including red wine. But if you want to drink here and there, I would separate drinking days by a whole week. And only get really drunk less than ten times a year with a month of space in between each. 

But my Dad at the age of 25 had been an alcoholic since he was about 15. Then, he decided to quit, and he went cold turkey. So, I never saw my Dad drink a single drop of alcohol, despite him being an alcoholic. And he quit 100% and forever, because he knew that if he left himself any wiggle room, that he'd be right back in the same situation as before. He's almost 60 now, and still alcohol free. 

So, I would suggest that if you know yourself to have a similar kind of issue, where any wiggle room would give you rope to hang yourself with, don't give yourself any wiggle room. Go 100% and forever, like my Dad. 

But if you can actually drink in moderation and stick to rules about drinking without falling back into negative patterns, I recommend keeping to the schedule that I said above.  

[Michael569]

A smart and grounded person will not become addicted. Only those that are needy, unfulfilled and fed up with life do. I believe you have achieved a state of consciousness where you are free to have an occasional drink without any consequences. 

The liver is pretty damn powerful when it comes to detoxification of this stuff. Broccoli and grapefruit speed up the removal of various substances by liver so if you want to get rid of it faster, add them in  

Edited July 16, 2018 by Michael569

[Joseph Maynor]

2 hours ago, p1xelmonk said:

lmao this thread is pure gold, the guy who thinks it's fact he's better than everyone else on the forum including leo asking about alcohol consumption per week hahahah. god I love this forum.

You got me.  

Edited July 16, 2018 by Joseph Maynor

[molosku]

On 15.7.2018 at 1:15 AM, Joseph Maynor said:

The idea you have to be 100% free of alcohol to self-actualize or to be Enlightened isn’t conceptually true.  That’s a thought-story in your Conceptual Understanding, which you’re assuming should be universally held.  But thanks for the response.

We are not talking about self-inquiry here, disregarding arguments and opinions as mere thought stories is lazy thinking. I can do the same thing, and no value is gained from it:

"That’s a thought-story in your Conceptual Understanding, which you’re assuming should be universally held." is a thought story and ironically, an assumption.

Spiritual bypassing is sneaky af.

 

 

 

[Joseph Maynor]

19 minutes ago, molosku said:

We are not talking about self-inquiry here, disregarding arguments and opinions as mere thought stories is lazy thinking. I can do the same thing, and no value is gained from it:

"That’s a thought-story in your Conceptual Understanding, which you’re assuming should be universally held." is a thought story and ironically, an assumption.

Spiritual bypassing is sneaky af.

Spiritual bypassing?  Let’s not turn this into a silly and distracting argument.  People have given good answers so far and I appreciate that.  

Edited July 16, 2018 by Joseph Maynor

[molosku]

@Joseph Maynor

Who's arguing? I just pointed out what I consider as a subtle way of spiritual bypassing, that maybe slipped by your consciousness. There is a reason why many discussions on every day ordeals turn into pointless non-duality discussion lol  

 

[ChadT]

I think a good argument can be made that 1 to 2 drinks a day is actually healthy.   Wine with food is probably best.

I personally think that an occasional night of drinking, to the point of mild intoxication (socially, for fun), say once or twice a month, probably isn't THAT bad for you.  You could probably even argue that there are some social and stress relieving benefits.

Anything more than that, IMHO, you are playing with fire. 

From an addiction standpoint, as a recovering alcoholic with 9 years sober, I can tell you when it started becoming a problem for me...

When I started drinking alone, sometimes out of boredom, sometimes due to stress, that's when my drinking problem began. 

Christopher Hitchens said something once that I liked...   He said he considered booze to be a better servant than a master.  

It's a fine line that some people can manage.  I couldn't.

[FeathersandPennies]

@Joseph Maynor

On 7/14/2018 at 3:15 PM, Joseph Maynor said:

I’m not asking for anyone to decide for me.  I’m asking for your opinions about you.  And people have done that plus a little moral lecturing.  The idea you have to be 100% free of alcohol to self-actualize or to be Enlightened isn’t conceptually true.  That’s a thought-story in your Conceptual Understanding, which you’re assuming should be universally held.  But thanks for the response.

I think you're misunderstanding what I wrote.

I never said anything about having to be 100% alcohol free in order to self-actualize or be enlightened.

I'm saying to each their own.  

[SaaraSabina]

Non at all