What do you honestly think is moderate for alcohol per week

[Joseph Maynor]

12 minutes ago, Sockrattes said:

Look. You are an responsible adult. When you are looking for someone, who will help you to justify for drinking habits, i'm quite sure, it won't happen here. Alcohol in generell is not good for your body. Other than other drugs like cocaine, heroin and so on, alcohol will take some time to harm you seriously. That does not make it a easy or harmless substance in the slightest. You have to decide for yourself, if your habits are bad or not.

There’s just a part of me that feels like not drinking at all is kinda stupid.  That’s why I asked this question.  It’s funny how you guys are reading all this stuff into it.  I feel like I’m getting some projection happening, which was foreseeable.  One of the reasons people have a hard time quitting alcohol is because it’s a joy to drink a little bit.  It’s like eating good food.  People want that.  And I’m not sure that’s a bad thing.  We make it bad, but is it really bad?  See?  That’s the issue.  I realize that over-drinking in any form is harmful.  But that’s a different issue.  I think there are people out there who can enjoy just two glasses of red wine per day.  

Edited July 14, 2018 by Joseph Maynor

[martins name]

The regular Joe isn't self actualizing and lives just for those pleasures.

[Sockrattes]

3 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

There’s just a part of me that feels like not drinking at all is kinda stupid.  That’s why I asked this question.  It’s funny how you guys are reading all this stuff into it.  I feel like I’m getting some projection happening.  One of the reasons people have a hard time quitting is because it is a joy to drink a little bit.  It’s like eating good food.

I don't drink. I actually don't like it and i'm pretty happy about that, because i would be an alcoholic in an instant, if i wouldn't watch out. I know people who drink every day and i know people who are suffering from this. Including serious health issues like cirrhosis and stuff. I have seen people vomiting blood. 

And all these people started like "i only drink a glass of wine or a beer a day".

 

And i'm not saying, that you are drinking to much. I don't know you, so i can't tell if anything i say about you is true. What i'm saying is, that i know people who started to have serious problems with alcohol, when they started to justify their own habits. I'm trying to be a mirror here. That's all.

[Joseph Maynor]

7 minutes ago, martins name said:

The regular Joe isn't self actualizing and lives just for those pleasures.

I just don’t wanna be ideologically against drinking.  That’s what can mess you up.  And that can backfire on you too.  I wanna be less ideological about all things.  But I also realize that alcohol can be very addictive and overused.  But isn’t that manageable by a smart person?  See, we tend to assume we are powerless to decide how we use alcohol.  If I become ideologically against alcohol I’m afraid that will not be sustainable.  I think there’s gotta be a different solution.

Edited July 14, 2018 by Joseph Maynor

[martins name]

I don't really enjoy the experience of drinking. To me it numbs the positive meaning in my life. But that's just me. I do it to see life from a different perspective and to see what my social interactions could be like if I would be more chill. So as a learning experience. So I guess I can't really speak on your condition. 

I don't see my self as ideological about alcohol as I've just found my own balance. I'm not completely against it. I've pointed out a lot of bad sides of it in this conversion so it seems like I am.

[SBB4746]

@martins name lol rubbish dude. You saying no enlightened masters or philosophers didn't drink alcohol? Alan Watts, Osho.. do some research 

[MM1988]

Best would be nothing. Im myself drunk at least once per week right now. I need it to socialize because im very introverted. Clouds your mind and makes you do things youll regret. Usually im really down the next day and meditate even more, but thats the only positive really.

[martins name]

@SBB4746 i didn't say that. I only responded to Joseph saying that people in Italy drink a lot of whine. And I ment that its not a good idea because a lot of people does it.

[SBB4746]

@martins name yeah sorry I re-read after I sent message and realised 

[martins name]

@SBB4746  also enlightened people will have a different relation to alcohol than unenlightened folks. Its like saying that its a good idea to chase Rolls Royces because Osho did it.

Also philosopher are not know to be the happiest people to my knowledge.

[SBB4746]

@martins name ok well maybe that statement should be highlighted on this topic. Your saying that the impact that alcohol has on ones life depends on the stage of personal development that the particular individual is at.

Edited July 14, 2018 by SBB4746

[Till]

 

[martins name]

@SBB4746 @SBB4746@SBB4746exactly, well formulated.

Edited July 14, 2018 by martins name

[SpyAquamarine]

I don't understand why you are asking people's opinions if you want to disput it and  have made your mind up already.

Sure this is a deep personal topic and nobody can answer this for you.

I used to drink alcohol but I was raised in a family where alcohol was as much available as water. As I matured into what I am now, I have no need, desire or cravings. I don't need any subistance in order to relax, socialise, open up, feel happy, fit in or whatever else people use alcohol for. I personaly think if you need a substance in order to function on these very (for me) basic levels, you are missing an opportunity to be your most aunthentic self. 

Also there is the health. I don't care if doctors say red wine is good for the heart or whatever, believe in them if you want to. I feel the effects of alcohol in my body and doesn't feel good. 

I myself have no reason to drink and I am happy with it. It is hard for people around me to accept it though. (I don't preach and don't care about what people do or don't).

Edited July 14, 2018 by SpyAquamarine

[SpyAquamarine]

I agree with the video. An aware person will thrive even if eating cat food MORE then an unaware person eating the best diet in the world.

[intrastellar]

From a scientific perspective moderate is mostly defined as about two drinks (like glasses of whine, shots, bottles of beer) per day for men and one for women. For this amount of alcohol there seem to be cardiovascular benefits. I've read a few studies on this topic and there seem to be at least some effects of the alcohol - but this topic is still controversely discussed. Red wine has also possible positives effects on your endothelial function because of substances like resveratrol. On the other hand there seems to be a higher risk for a variety of cancers, maybe even for moderate amounts. It's also advised to not drink every day but  not more that 4 days a week.

That beeing said I personally think this is still pretty much, especially when you're self-actualizing. I noticed when I drink, the day after and even a few days after that, I'm kinda clouded - I'm not as motivated to work or to meditate as normally and I tend to be more tired and less clear. It just feels like it's pulling me down in a way and clouding my awareness. 

For me this makes even the nice aspects of alcohol like that it relaxes you kind of sour, because I know that I may be a bit more relaxed now but after that I'm way less relaxed for a few days. So I generally don't drink very anymore.

But on occasion I drink anyway and when I do it seems way more relaxing than it was before. 

I don't think it's a good way to make any habbit to into a dogma. It's all about balance - and everyones balance here is different.

[molosku]

Culture is a bad way to evaluate how much you can/should drink to be moderate. The italians drink, the germans drink and the finns DRINK. So what? The germans are not known for self-inquiry either, that does not mean you should not do it. 

Like all substances this comes down to personal preference and thats why it's often hard to come to a consensuss. Imo the less you can get away with, the better. 

Edited July 14, 2018 by molosku

[Guest Quanty]

1 drink a day, but alcohol is not worth it every day or every week. 

Once a couple of weeks, one uses a drink to release the old water in the system, to flush out faster drama & blockages, that is it. 

[Lorcan]

5 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

‘Moderate’ in the sense of not going over the boundary of health and well-being.

 

The answer is not simple and is complex. Reality is not black and white. This question is included in reality. So the answer is not going to be black and white. It is a complex matter. There is complexity in everything. (If it is perceived to be so) I do not actually know. Bear with me and the long-winded answer.

 

I do not know what the food I eat does to my body. I have not studied what it does so I cannot be sure what its does to my bodily organs. From reading online and reading a health book. The consensus to me to me is that certain consumables are to avoided. There is more controversy over certain consumables than others. Such as Soy, or Psychedelics.

It depends on what your goals are. If your goal is longevity. It would make sense to study in-depth (the more depth, the better) in what you are consuming and how it effects your longevity. This goes for any consumable. I just ate an ice-cream. I think I know it's bad for me, and probably should not of ate it, but I wanted the pleasure from it. So I ate it. I am to lazy to do a extensive research on what this is doing to my body,

I fear it might be a waste of time.I'll just accept the general consensus that is unhealthy, but eat it anyway because I want to feel the pleasure. I crave the pleasure in the short-term, doing research is not practical for getting more short-term pleasure. That is how my ego thinks. Unconsciously of course. I do not actually say that to myself. I feel the desire, and I satiate the desire.  (At least that is what I think is going on. I ultimately do not know)

 

There seems to be consensus from my experience on the internet and in real life that alcohol has a negative effect on longevity. I do not whether this is true or not. My self-bias tends to trust the consensus, and most peoples bias does. (Does it? I do not know.)

Even if were true certain consumables cause harm to the body. This harm may become obsolete in the future due to advancements in technology that allow us to remove the harm. Whether that be through some artificially enhanced human organs or something else. I do not know.

Your question is of the type that asks 10,000 questions at once. To give an answer that is closest to the truth, relative to the truth of whether it will increase your longevity or not would require me to possess knowledge I do not have.

The consensus I get is that alcohol is bad. Whether you trust what other say without having studied it yourself it up to you. 

If you are going to drink or consume anything. Be humble and open-minded about what you are consuming. Do not say to yourself "I know exactly what this does to my body, so It is absolutely safe". No. Be humble and accept you do not really know, and could be wrong and that you are ready to give it up at a moments notice, should you find evidence to stop consuming whatever it is.

In Conclusion

Stick with the most convincing evidence of whether to consume or not to consume a consumable. Do not search for evidence to feed your ego and self bias.

Yes. We would all like it, if alcohol war harmless. Do not let this bias deceive you, in that you start searching for evidence for the side that will please your ego if correct. Discard the bias, and research both sides.

 

Kind regards to you Joseph.

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Edited July 14, 2018 by Lorcan

[ChimpBrain]

*I didn't read the entire thread*

Moderate? IMO, No more than 1 drink a day. Literally one serving too, not a long island iced tea with 5 shots of alcohol in it lol.  Or if you instead choose to actually get a healthy buzz going, say 4 drinks in an evening, do so no more than once a week in some kind of social setting