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Spiral Dynamics Stage Yellow Examples Mega-Thread

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2 hours ago, DocWatts said:

Interesting point. You also would probably get in to questions of Content vs. Structure as well; how fully can you  separate the content of a work from the constraints of its medium? Could also be that systems thinking doesn't lend itself to artistic expression as easily because of its inherent complexities. Food for thought.

One of the constraints of the movie format in relation to yellow in particular is that the meta-perspectival nature would probably not translate well into a "message" that you would want to put in a movie, or atleast I can't imagine it catching on in our current culture.


To balance beauty and complexity so perfectly is a divine mystery.

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9 hours ago, DocWatts said:

About as subtle as an anvil falling from a skyscraper, but an effective analogy nonetheless.

I was thinking about this recently... Are  stage Yellow movies / tv shows (fictional, not documentaries) even a thing at this point of time? Seems really difficult to place my finger on what a stage Yellow piece of entertainment would look like. The handful of examples I can think of might be better placed in high Green with some aspects of Yellow.

I finished the movie and would not call it stage yellow. It’s more green. This movie has an interesting first half but the second half flops and the ending is meh.

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Right in the beginning of the conversation, Roger Penrose explains to Joe Rogan about Godel's incompleteness theorem. very top notch. For those folks who are in to physics.

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To be fair... I'm not 100% sure about this video... but the impression I got from the guest is that he talks from a 2nd tier understanding with regard to that topic.

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8 hours ago, Bernardo Carleial said:

To be fair... I'm not 100% sure about this video... but the impression I got from the guest is that he talks from a 2nd tier understanding with regard to that topic.

I'd say Tristan Harris is Yellow: pattern recognition, vision logic analysis, individualistic ethicist. May be knocking on the door of Turquoise with the community thing in co-founding Center for Humane Technology. 

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On 7/8/2018 at 4:05 PM, LisaA said:

I think this scene from the movie "Donnie Darko" is a good example for stage yellow. What do you think?

A friend of mine, who used to do a lot of consulting using SD (including the official test) once told me that this film is a good example of Yellow.

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On 2.10.2020 at 0:12 PM, Darren_Everitt said:

A friend of mine, who used to do a lot of consulting using SD (including the official test) once told me that this film is a good example of Yellow.

What official test?


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On 10/2/2020 at 4:09 AM, Darren_Everitt said:

I'd say Tristan Harris is Yellow: pattern recognition, vision logic analysis, individualistic ethicist. May be knocking on the door of Turquoise with the community thing in co-founding Center for Humane Technology. 

Green/Yellow. Nowhere near Turquoise. 

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On 7/11/2018 at 2:32 AM, Leo Gura said:

That's right.

Although it's complicated. You have to understand that mystics and enlightened people tend to reside outside Spiral the entirely.

Nonduality cannot be mapped. Nonduality is not a stage you reach. Nonduality is Absolute.

Never forget that Spiral Dynamics is just a model, and it is not designed to model mysticism, altered states of consciousness, or nonduality.

If you want a model of levels of nonduality, Ramaji's LOC system is better suited to that. Although, still, it's just a model and will not address every facet.

Enlightenment or non-duality is ever present and can be accessed regardless of one's level of psychological maturity because the absolute realm transcends and includes the relative realms. How one experiences and interprets such satori type insights is, seemingly, determined by one's stage of evolution.

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On 10/3/2020 at 3:43 PM, Carl-Richard said:

What official test?

SD test. I did it about 20 years ago, it's licensed by Don Beck as I recall.

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47 minutes ago, Darren_Everitt said:

SD test. I did it about 20 years ago, it's licensed by Don Beck as I recall.

Just something interesting that I recall Don Beck mentioning during an Interview is that he would probably map himself as Blue in SD.


"The mind is inherently embodied.
Thought is mostly unconscious.
Abstract concepts are largely metaphorical." - George Lakoff

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17 hours ago, louhad said:

concise stage yellow understanding of race in america

Lex is obviously a very intelligent and articulate thinker. That said, I’m not sure I fully understand his point. Is he saying that in order to move up in society Blacks need to create strong and prosperous Black communities so that then they can be seen of value by dominant white society? If so, this makes sense to me. But I’m confused by his critique of “money culture” which he associates with white culture and laments hip hop for selling out to “money culture,” but isn’t that contradicting his point about Blacks needing to pull themselves up so that they can compete with the very money culture he disparages? Perhaps he sees this as a necessary evil? Maybe I just missed his larger point. Thanks for providing any clarity. @louhad

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Excellent podcast interview with Zak Stein.

I disagree with his analysis of the Hero's Journey. I think he's conflating Hollywood's version with the ancient mythological Joseph Campbell version. But other than that I really resonated with his meta analysis of the evolutionary journey that's underway. 

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coaches-rising/id1144203613?i=1000493396440

 

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On 10/5/2020 at 9:02 PM, louhad said:

concise stage yellow understanding of race in america

Seems like a shame that such a well thought out and insightful video has something like 150 views. I'll definitely be checking out more of his channel.


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Thought is mostly unconscious.
Abstract concepts are largely metaphorical." - George Lakoff

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