Spiral Dynamics Stage Yellow Examples Mega-Thread

[Taylor04]

@Samra Yes, I sense a little yellowness in Bill Gates. He has for instance said that green energy is unwise and his solutions are not the typical "more social engineering". As such his solutions are "integrative", because they take their real world consequences into account, unlike green "solutions" which only measure intentions and ignore consequences. Gates seems to look at the world empirically and rationally, and decides on solutions based on what works. This empirical approach has led him to disagree with the typical green solutions. He still comes at it from green assumtions though, which makes him less yellow. Keep in mind that yellow is the rebellion against green, like green was a rebellion against orange. These rebellions tend to oversteer a bit. Yellow is the rebellious teenager who storms out of his green parents house shouting that he hates everything they stand for. So real yellow can be expected to be aggressively anti-green. At times axiomatically anti-green: "if its what the greens say then it must be wrong". So yes, yellow is agentic and anti-collectivist. It is anti-environmentalist and does not believe in global warming. Yellow wants to tare down the wind turbines and smash the welfare state.

Bill Gates is not like that. He is a bit yellow through valuing rationality over groupthink. But he is not very deeply yellow. For instance, his conclusions are in effect very pro-market and agentic, but he is unwilling to say this directly. He does not say that is was agentic market liberalizations that created these waves of poverty reduction. He only mentions unspecified " progress". Mass poverty goes away when a society moves from blue to orange. Orange reduced birth rates and closes the malthusian trap. This is death to the low-K gene set that exists as an adaptation to the blue world. The reason humanity has such a hard time getting out of poverty is that the low-K gene set needs it to survive. To remove poverty, the resistance of the low-K gene set needs to be overcome, that wishes to keep the birth rate gravy train rolling. Gates favors reduction in poverty through markets and agency, as such he is in favor of making the world more warm-colored. Thats not what greens want. Low-K vMemes do not favor changes towards high-K vMemes, ever. The low-K gene set wants low-K vMemes, even at the expense of fighting to keep poverty alive.

And then Gates mentions his belief in warmism, which is green. Its funny how they blame every crop failure on global warming these days, like there were no storms or crop failures before. 100 years ago these things were explained by God, now they are caused by global warming. Gates apparently isnt yellow enough to have outgrown that.

[Key Elements]

What does the Mirror of Erised symbolizes for you in "real" life? 

 

[Forestluv]

@Brittany Thank you. I've been looking for examples of Yellow stage women. She is great.

4 hours ago, Taylor04 said:

@Samra Keep in mind that yellow is the rebellion against green, like green was a rebellion against orange. These rebellions tend to oversteer a bit. Yellow is the rebellious teenager who storms out of his green parents house shouting that he hates everything they stand for. So real yellow can be expected to be aggressively anti-green. At times axiomatically anti-green: "if its what the greens say then it must be wrong". So yes, yellow is agentic and anti-collectivist. It is anti-environmentalist and does not believe in global warming. Yellow wants to tare down the wind turbines and smash the welfare state.

That seems like an Orange perspective of what it imagines Yellow to be like.

Tier1 is "anti" other Tier1 stages. Tier1 stages demonize each other. Tier2 has transcended and embodied Tier1. Tier2 is not "anti" any stage in Tier1, they no longer demonize other stages. 

What you are saying is like saying: "College is the rebellion against the 4th grade, like how 4th graders rebelled against 3rd graders. A college student is like a 6th grade brat that throws a temper tantrum because they can't have a piece of candy. So, real college students can be aggressively ant-4th grade. If it's what a 4th grader says, then it must be wrong".

This is the perspective of what a 3rd grader imagines 5th grade will be like. College students are soooo much more mature and developed than this. Similarly, Yellow is much more mature and advanced than you are imagining.

[Taylor04]

@Serotoninluv

No, it is a green-YELLOW perspective that Green perceives as Orange.

I think this forum and the spiral dynamics video series portray a green narrative of what whatthey wish the spiral would continue like: green beliefs and green opinions and green politics, but with lots of equanimity. Why the luxury to no longer demonize other stages? Because green eliminated them all and there are no other stages left to fight. This is still an expression of monoperspectivalness, just in the form of wanting green to become so dominant that is gains the luxury of quitting the fight and turning spiritual. It is easy enough to think one will not demonize anyone in a future where there are no enemies left to demonize. Sort of what the 1000 year Reich wished it could have been for the last 990 years, if things had gone their way. This still indirectly illustrates a desire to abolish other vMemes and make green dominant, just in the form of inventing a future where they already killed them. It's still demonization in the form of deeming the other stages inferior enough to be worthy of eradication. That is quite different from the "both perspectives have upsides" view of real yellow.
I can see why this view appeals to greens who stumbled onto spiral dynamics. They don't like the notion that real yellow is the growing challenge from the neoliberal agentic side, that emerged out of the internet circumventing the green monopoly on ideas. (Agentic vMemes seem to spead due to new communication technology; orange emerged out of the invention of printing press.) So they invented a spiral that accommodates their beliefs. Unfortunately it does not work that way. Spiral Dynamics does not support the view that the spiral stops oscillating after green, nor that agentic vMemes die out after orange. And the book specifically mentions that green does not like tier 2, so we know that whatever greens would prefer yellow to be, that is not it.
Tier 2 is supposed to have equanimity, but that does not mean that yellow couldn't be in disagreement with some green beliefs. It still integrates some of them. Also, one has to distinguish yellow from tier 2 as a whole. While tier 2 as a whole might not be agentic per se, yellow is an agentic stage. Yellow does not have to be all cozy with green politics, nor or is anyone who disagrees with collectivist beliefs by necessity orange. That would imply that history ends with the latest low consciousness stage belief system, because tier 2 is just too zen to get any wiser. Tier 2 vMemes do disagree with stuff they don't like, and will try to participate in the battle of ideas. They just do so from a lighter, less hateful place. But it is perfectly reasonable to rebel against something, if it is deemed destructive.

[Key Elements]

 

[kieranperez]

Mark Hyman is a GREAT example of Yellow. What he’s doing in the medical field and all the work he’s doing in nutrition is fabulous. 

[petar8p]

@Taylor04
Would you say this is yellow? 

 

[PetarKa]

 

[ValiantSalvatore]

Some yellow comedy.

[Marinus]

 

[MaxV]

I'm not 100% sure (this movie probably also has some drops of green or maybe  even some drops of turquoise), but a movie which absolutely screams yellow to me is Koyaanisqatsi. I have seen this at first as a kid and i was intrigued by it. And nowadays its one of my alltime favorites. 

The music is just timeless (Composed by Philip Glass) and the images themselves, in combination with the music, surely gives you one journey of visual and auditory impressions of how messed up society actually is. 

 

[Spectrum3]

For those of you, who are interested political theories: I read the works of Immanuel Wallerstein and he seems to be yellow, in my opinion. 

I also count a lot of sociologists like Michel Foucault, Jacques Derrida and Pierre Bourdieu in the "Yellow" category. 

[Cudin]

Have anyone seen Stanislaw Szukalski's documentary on Netflix?

This man was an unknown da Vinci like genius of our times. I really recommend watching his documentary on Netflix.

I would classify him as a hyper-narcissistic yellow, but the quality of his art hints he might have been beyond. Coral maybe? Who knows...

 

 

 

[The Dude]

The new black mirror movie on netflix called “bandersnatch” is very yellow. Recommended for people who love metaphysical thinking and complex interconnected systems.

[PetarKa]

I like a lot of things about Yuval's ideas, though I am confused about some other parts. Nevertheless, I think he is a great example of a Yellow thinker:

 

[Brittany]

 

Yellow stage lessons from Renee Amberg

[Zigzag Idiot]

Jonathon Zap -Dark Elements part one

 

Jonathon Zap;  Dynamic Paradoxicalism -- The Anti-ism ism

 

[Himanshu]

Not sure if this has been posted before.

 

[ValiantSalvatore]

 

[Spiral]

The Syntheist community "Noden"(The Node) in Stockholm is a permanent burning man and techno temple. Sorry about it being partly in Swedish.

For more info: https://www.noden.community/

Edited January 20, 2019 by Spiral