Freakrik

My problems with my lower selfs desires and pickup

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44 minutes ago, Nahm said:

@Freakrik Sorry man, I’m just not inspired to look up the sources you mentioned to get an understanding of this. I appreciate you sharing. Direct experience is always the way to go, so so how this feels when you experience it. Then you’ll know. Maybe you’ll start, and end up laughing about it with your future wife. ❤️

Haha i respect your inspiration. The 2 main reasons is of course get better with girls and get an understanding of the field in the art of seduction

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@Freakrik There’s a million ways to skin a cat. Being genuine, and having fun works well too. Consider Loa for this stuff too. Everyone gravitates to someone with a better disposition. 


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6 hours ago, Nahm said:

@Freakrik There’s a million ways to skin a cat. Being genuine, and having fun works well too. Consider Loa for this stuff too. Everyone gravitates to someone with a better disposition. 

Hahah of course. But it's just a facinating art form. Just interesting  to explore. But the ultimate goal is non duality of course

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 @Freakrik Don't bother with "manipulation". If you believed you were awesome you wouldn't think that you need to manipulate people into liking you so you probably don't think highly of yourself. From your research, you 've missed this: "the map is not the territory" which is really applicable to PUA stuff. Whatever theory or rant you listen to about PUA won't be the real thing since you are not out there talking to people, real PUA starts when you get out of your home and start talking to strangers. Leo's rant wasn't against Pua and at the end of the day, it is completely outdated at this point since everything he said, it is not valid anymore. Also, watch out the social conditioning, you don't need any justification to do anything, you do as you please no hell exist no heaven exist and there is no one who is going to tell you what to do or not. You literally can do anything you want and you contemplating the morality of fulfilling your natural needs and talking to the opposite sex? 

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2 hours ago, Socrates said:

 @Freakrik Don't bother with "manipulation". If you believed you were awesome you wouldn't think that you need to manipulate people into liking you so you probably don't think highly of yourself. From your research, you 've missed this: "the map is not the territory" which is really applicable to PUA stuff. Whatever theory or rant you listen to about PUA won't be the real thing since you are not out there talking to people, real PUA starts when you get out of your home and start talking to strangers. Leo's rant wasn't against Pua and at the end of the day, it is completely outdated at this point since everything he said, it is not valid anymore. Also, watch out the social conditioning, you don't need any justification to do anything, you do as you please no hell exist no heaven exist and there is no one who is going to tell you what to do or not. You literally can do anything you want and you contemplating the morality of fulfilling your natural needs and talking to the opposite sex? 

I see what you are coming from. You are right in that Pua starts when i get out and talikng to strangers. Battle with my AA. And i don't feel like i NEED to manipluate to get liked. I can just work on my looks, confidence, Charisma etc. But i am facinated by the art of seduction itself. You see what i mean?

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On 4/5/2018 at 5:51 PM, Freakrik said:

The thing is i planned on making the next 6 years of my life learning game and pickup. Most from Todd v. And experiment. Even if i know It's manipulative. But i feel like i have to get it out of my system. Experiment with the techniques like Toys even if it is selfish. (Note, even if i am manipulating i am honest with myself about it and i am not buying into the pickup dogma,  i am not gonna try techniques that can harm a woman Long term) To prove to my ego that no matter how much you test you are not gonna be happy. And have a end goal of finding a wife. Start a family. Doing spirutal work. But i my ego dies before it kills itself (mindfuck but you get it, that i am gonna go to hell and suffer forever) and i know you are not gonna like what i am saying but that' whats my ego and lower self tells me to do. As i feel like i need to give it what it wants to be able to ler go of it. And because of the rise of feminism my lower self feels every tempted to use the techniques that are outright manipulative.  i know because it's a low conscious behavior. I am afraid that if i am not fixing my low conscious in time i end up in hell. But sometimes my ego have a burning desire to do it. The more i try to get rid of the desire the more intese it gets. I agree with most of the points with leo in his rant against pickup. Like cheating. It's the game and the techniques itself my lower self want to test. I don't want to hurt women. But my lower self really want to use the techniques and master them. Stuff like leo talked about in his video like try to get a women to sleep with you even if she does not really want and regrets its is borderlane rape or being an asshole to other guys in the set is wrong. I agree with leo's list about what not to do. except the manipulation because that's the techniques and the toys

Here todd talks about techniques that are not pc. And i want to use such techniques because experiment. And because i want to experiment i want to use almost all techniques that are not gonna cause long term damage to a women. Like emotional enslavement. I would never even dare to use such things even if i wanted to. 

And i don't want to hear that i am gonna go to hell if i do todd v style of pickup and that's why it should not do it if it's not true. 

 

He is right about the political correctness part, and the pro-oldschool approch. 

Bottom line is you got to do what works you. 

Meaning getting results aka getting laid aka getting laid and maybe making your girlfriend if she sticks. 

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@Freakrik Of course seduction is great, and that's why PUA is great because you seduce women, you don't manipulate them. From being a shy insecure guy that doesn't get any, you grow into a confident assertive guy that is able to attract and keep women. AA will never stop, just watch Todd's video of what's the alternative. Pornhub?

 

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1 hour ago, Socrates said:

@Freakrik Of course seduction is great, and that's why PUA is great because you seduce women, you don't manipulate them. From being a shy insecure guy that doesn't get any, you grow into a confident assertive guy that is able to attract and keep women. AA will never stop, just watch Todd's video of what's the alternative. Pornhub?

 

O agree the best way to attract is to be a awsome guy. And ofcourse i would want to do that. But do you think is wrong to experiment with NLP, speed seduction and mindgames? (The scrambler for example) Just because you want to expriment and not because you think you can't attract in any other way? Because that is my motivation for that. 

EDIT: I can see why people thinks that people who wants to use this stuff don't think highly of themself. But i think when it comes from the place of experimentation rather then a place of thinking "I am not good enough to get girls with being awesome so i NEED do use this" is diffrent than "I don't need to use it but it's seems intresitng to use" is a diffrent place of mind i think. feel free to disagree and challange me. I played with the tought of only using this stuff to attract. And i got an empty ,cold and depressing feeling inside

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1 hour ago, Freakrik said:

feel free to disagree and challange me. I played with the tought of only using this stuff to attract. And i got an empty ,cold and depressing feeling inside

What you said here sounds awesome and open-minded. It invites others to share different experiences. I will try my best to share what I saw.

Two ppl I know met their significant other through cold approach. Both ppl wanted relationships that lasts, but it didn't work out. One couple met in the bar; the other couple met in an online dating app. What I saw was, during the process of dating, they can't really see the other person's personality. It takes a non-quitters' personality to actually go through a long term relationship, for both parties. So, during these dates, all the ppl were having a good time and putting their best foot forward. Sure, they were talking about themselves, their goals, their plans, etc. But, as the time progressed, they can't tolerate the others' flaws and just went their separate ways. They don't want to stay together. They don't want to stretch out the relationship. I think a lot of times, you cannot see the charactistics of the other person if it's a cold approach. The person is a complete stranger, and when it comes to dating, they put their best foot forward. It tells you nothing about the person. They say they're interested in a long term relationship, but in reality they're not. They leave in the middle when the challenges come up. In a long term relationship, the couple don't call it quits just because it got challenging. They try to solve the issue and continue and move on. The individuals continue to improve themselves and their life situations.

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7 hours ago, Key Elements said:

What you said here sounds awesome and open-minded. It invites others to share different experiences. I will try my best to share what I saw.

Two ppl I know met their significant other through cold approach. Both ppl wanted relationships that lasts, but it didn't work out. One couple met in the bar; the other couple met in an online dating app. What I saw was, during the process of dating, they can't really see the other person's personality. It takes a non-quitters' personality to actually go through a long term relationship, for both parties. So, during these dates, all the ppl were having a good time and putting their best foot forward. Sure, they were talking about themselves, their goals, their plans, etc. But, as the time progressed, they can't tolerate the others' flaws and just went their separate ways. They don't want to stay together. They don't want to stretch out the relationship. I think a lot of times, you cannot see the charactistics of the other person if it's a cold approach. The person is a complete stranger, and when it comes to dating, they put their best foot forward. It tells you nothing about the person. They say they're interested in a long term relationship, but in reality they're not. They leave in the middle when the challenges come up. In a long term relationship, the couple don't call it quits just because it got challenging. They try to solve the issue and continue and move on. The individuals continue to improve themselves and their life situations.

That Sounds Very Good but i Don't see were you are disagreeing and challaning with me about about experimenting with mindgames and NLP based seduction. 

It's important to always be Open minded

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1 hour ago, Freakrik said:

That Sounds Very Good but i Don't see were you are disagreeing and challaning with me about about experimenting with mindgames and NLP based seduction. 

It's important to always be Open minded

What I'm trying to say is, when you cold approach someone, they are not always honest. To me, from what I heard from others, they are not at all honest -- not to the other person and not to themselves. 

Some ppl say they want a long term relationship, but don't even understand what that is, and so they leave the relationship early. I think if you learn pickup they don't tell you all these things. Do they?

The reason why I'm saying all this is because you said in your original post that you want a wife in the end. How can ppl who never married and never had a long term relationship tell you what it is? They only teach you how to cold approach. 

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23 hours ago, Key Elements said:

What I'm trying to say is, when you cold approach someone, they are not always honest. To me, from what I heard from others, they are not at all honest -- not to the other person and not to themselves. 

Some ppl say they want a long term relationship, but don't even understand what that is, and so they leave the relationship early. I think if you learn pickup they don't tell you all these things. Do they?

The reason why I'm saying all this is because you said in your original post that you want a wife in the end. How can ppl who never married and never had a long term relationship tell you what it is? They only teach you how to cold approach. 

Oh. I staded that because i wanted ppl to know that i have a good endgoal. 

But i want also to experiment with pick up. And testning NLP and mindgames. I think as long as you don't cause any big suffering it should be ok. And that is the statement i want to be challange for. :)

EDIT: The problem with most of the people who uses this stuff is they are only able to seduce women with the help of these instead of working on their looks, humor, confience, charisma. Social skills etc and becomming an awesome guy. Jeffy Said that it is much more furfilling to attract people with being awesome rather than mind tricks. True. But i still want to experiment with these 

now i very motivaded to work on myself to become awesome. But i the future i want to experiment with this. 

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