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Psychedelics - are they "authentic"?

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29 minutes ago, Neo said:

Well, I will post back my thoughts in a few weeks. The shrooms are growing in the closet but wont be ready for a while. I'm still horrified that anyone would buy white powder off a stranger on the internet an ingest it but that's another story. It's really that it's only this forum that has brought me to this point and I am still unsure if it is wise.

Are they fruiting yet, or still colonizing? I think growing one's own mushrooms endears them to us more, because we cared for them and brought them to life, misted and fanned them, gave them the right amount and type of light, admired and talked to them and so on. That closeness to the process can even affect the trips they eventually provide, because there's an investment of love and intention in there which makes it truly symbiotic. 

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Are they fruiting yet, or still colonizing?

It's at the very early stage, only just inoculated. Thanks for taking an interest in that. I'm actually a home brewer, so I have a skill in the sterilisation and attention to detail.

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It's very easy to authenticate: try them yourself and you will see what is real and what is unreal.

Just be sure you are ready to see the truth. All your pet theories will be utterly destroyed if you start to tango with psychedelics. You will experience mindfucks that leave you plastered on the floor, foaming at the mouth, calling for Mommy. And you will still only have scratched the surface of what consciousness is capable of. After all, consciousness does create the whole universe, so you should expect it to be a force beyond all equals.


You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity.

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5 hours ago, Neo said:

 

 

It's at the very early stage, only just inoculated. Thanks for taking an interest in that. I'm actually a home brewer, so I have a skill in the sterilisation and attention to detail.

Ahhhh, a zymergist! I was into that about 20 years ago and had a blast with it. Big glass carboys, tubing, air bubblers, wort on the stove. Super fun stuff, man. I wasted 5 gallons of delicious wort one time and turned it all into pickle juice. I remember the fermentation was going at a frenetic rate, and I just knew that it couldn't be yeast in there doing it that quickly. At least not the yeast that I had pitched!   :D

Anyway, yeah, have fun growing your cubes. I'm assuming you're doing cubensis. Are you doing PF Tek or a growkit that you bought? It's fun watching that pretty mycelium spread around on your grains or rice flour. I hope you're enjoying the process. 

Do you have your first experience planned out yet as far as your dose and where you're going to do it? I had it all planned weeks in advance. 

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On 2/16/2018 at 9:10 AM, Neo said:

Psychedelics - are they "authentic"? Yes. They are the “red pill”. No joke at all. 

You join a club of "happy" people, you all meet up and all stand one one by one to say how happy you are and why. When it's your turn, you stand up and say, "I'm happy - I take Valium! In fact, I took a Valium and a bunch of other drugs just before I got here! I expect I'll be really miserable later!"

Psychadelics, with a proper foundation in practices, and a lifestyle of health & well being, can reveal our deeper Self deceptions which otherwise left unnoticed can lead to a relative need for Valium and or Viagra. 

So, is it "authentic" and more importantly, are the "benefits" authentic. Can you reach the same end point as meditation AND not affect the possibility of making further progress with meditation alone. 

I’ve practiced daily meditation for 23 years, and taken around 20 trips. Do both, in a well thought out, well researched order. 

Is it like taking soooo much VIAGRA, for years, and you're expected to perform for your Mrs, and you haven't got any VIAGRA and it's freezing cold, and there's a lot on your're mind, in fact, you have a headache and you're tired.

No. It’s nothing like that. It’s like waking up every morning, and being fully aware no one just woke up, and every sensation is a dream / illusion. That sleep, and awake, and Nahm, and the world, are illusionary, and there is no thing that was born, and no thing that dies. No headache, no tired, no concern, nothing on your mind. Then you move through your day with clarity. Aware that everything experienced is completely relative to your person. Every sight and every sound, every word someone speaks, every song you hear, every question every answer, every appearance - all relativity to your person is revealed - you’d see why anyone is saying whatever they’re saying, doing whatever they’re doing, wanting what they’re wanting. Imagine 7 billion dominos, all moving in perfect relative unison, and one day, one domino realizes this, and removes it’s self from the relativity, and realizes the nature of people / dominos, is that each one, is all of them. There’s no words for the revealed transparency of the appearance, and the truth. It’s not communicable. Only direct experience will do. 

 

 

 


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On 2/16/2018 at 7:27 PM, PsiloPutty said:

I don't recall who I got the metaphor from, but for me, the psychedelic experience was like in The Wizard of Oz when the curtain was suddenly pulled open, revealing a weak and ridiculous little man who'd had everyone hoodwinked into believing in this frightening, larger-than-life persona, providing them all with The Truth of life. They then realized that it was all a sham, and they'd been buying a lie the entire time.

Society, culture, governments and their laws are the sad little wizard, scamming us out of our individuality and our ability to think critically. For me, psychedelics opened the curtain and showed me how tragically shameful it is to go through life believing that they're telling us the truth in how we should live. I learned that the people making the rules were/are just as lost in their lives as I was in mine, and that took their power away. 

 

You explained it perfectly bro 

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Are we individuals at all???

 I question this. Individuals stand alone. A true individual sees themself as individual/whole, not meaning separate/divided but representing the whole of man/woman/the world. An individual is not afraid to be empty. Doesn’t conform to patterns in becoming and not becoming. Doesn’t get caught in the pattern of imitation. Negates the danger of disorder in living. 

A true individual is one who becomes free of fragmentation/thought. One who is free of demand, effort, volition. 

 

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@Faceless

Any individual sees himself as an individual.
A group sees itself as an individual despite being made of individuals and being among other groups.
Once the perspective shifts - things join just to break apart a moment later.


Bearing with the conditioned in gentleness, fording the river with resolution, not neglecting what is distant, not regarding one's companions; thus one may manage to walk in the middle. H11L2

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3 minutes ago, tsuki said:

Any individual sees himself as an individual.

Let’s start with a line at a time?

what do we mean by this? 

Any individual sees himself as an individual.

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@Faceless Groundlessness. Paradox. A Cycle. This is thought. A set of mirrors reflecting each other to form a tunnel.

I never took any psychedelics so I'm talking out of pure ignorance. I see them as something that shows the tunnel. It may go anywhere it pleases. Once you integrate that into your being, you just go.
The tunnel is the self and so is the society. They are made of each other. The self thinks what society taught it, the society is made of selves. The self sees itself as separate, so does the society.

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18 minutes ago, tsuki said:

@Faceless Groundlessness. Paradox. A Cycle. This is thought. A set of mirrors reflecting each other to form a tunnel.

I never took any psychedelics so I'm talking out of pure ignorance. I see them as something that shows the tunnel. It may go anywhere it pleases. Once you integrate that into your being, you just go.
The tunnel is the self and so is the society. They are made of each other. The self thinks what society taught it, the society is made of selves. The self sees itself as separate, so does the society.

I understand...we don’t need to take psychedelics to see what is happening in thought/the self....If we undertand ourselves deeply it becomes very very clear, without any question. But this must be seen by ones self. ?

 

So it’s obvious that individuality as the word implies today is an illusion

Original usage for that word individual was meant to imply indivisible, whole, not seperate. Interesting huh? 

And this is what I meant to go into on behalf of individuality. Wasn’t questioning psychedelics although I do often, but was rather pointing to the where the movement of motive to take such a stimulate comes from. It is in this sense of individuality/the center/the self that arises this demand of self sustainment. 

Do you see that participation in the demand through motive, effort, will is always a movement of thought and therefore becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. And that by engaging in such a movement, being a movement of fragmentation can only lead to further fragmentation.

Do you see that this illusion as individuality fuels fragmentation and that no matter what fragmentation can never be integrated to wholeness? 

I hope you the significance of this?

 

 

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18 minutes ago, Faceless said:

Do you see that participation in the demand through motive, effort, will is always a movement of thought and therefore becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. And that by engaging in such a movement, being a movement of fragmentation can only lead to further fragmentation.

Do you see that this illusion as individuality fuels fragmentation and that no matter what fragmentation can never be integrated to wholeness? 

Sorry, I still see fragmentation as a result of a paradox.
One becomes awakened once the fragmentation tries to fragment itself. Once the self wants to see what itself is. It sees it as a tunnel, a path to go, but the tunnel fragments itself. The cycle cannot contain itself and it explodes. The self sees itself for the paradox it is.

Still, if one can see a path from paradox to fragmentation, then surely one can go from fragmentation to paradox. It goes both ways. Peace.


Bearing with the conditioned in gentleness, fording the river with resolution, not neglecting what is distant, not regarding one's companions; thus one may manage to walk in the middle. H11L2

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2 minutes ago, tsuki said:

Sorry, I still see fragmentation as a result of a paradox.
One becomes awakened once the fragmentation tries to fragment itself. Once the self wants to see what itself is. It sees it as a tunnel, a path to go, but the tunnel fragments itself. The cycle cannot contain itself and it explodes. The self sees itself for the paradox it is.

Still, if one can see a path from paradox to fragmentation, then surely one can go from fragmentation to paradox. It goes both ways. Peace.

Fragmentation can’t see itself as fragmentation. This what u mean? 

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8 minutes ago, tsuki said:

Do you see that participation in the demand through motive, effort, will is always a movement of thought and therefore becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. And that by engaging in such a movement, being a movement of fragmentation can only lead to further fragmentation.

Do you see that this illusion as individuality fuels fragmentation and that no matter what fragmentation can never be integrated to wholeness? 

Do you see what I was implying here? 

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@tsuki

what is it that sees fragmentation??? 

Very interesting

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We have to see that fragmentation is contradiction. Can that which is contradicting get out of the pattern of fragmentation???

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32 minutes ago, Faceless said:

Do you see that this illusion as individuality fuels fragmentation and no matter what fragmentation can never be integrated to wholeness? 

There is no answer to the question "Who am I?" that prevents it from asking it again.
Who am I?
I am the thing that does not know what it is.
You can only answer that question by forgetting that you don't know.


Bearing with the conditioned in gentleness, fording the river with resolution, not neglecting what is distant, not regarding one's companions; thus one may manage to walk in the middle. H11L2

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On ‎17‎/‎02‎/‎2018 at 2:04 PM, PsiloPutty said:

Do you have your first experience planned out yet as far as your dose and where you're going to do it? I had it all planned weeks in advance. 

PsiloPutty, if you have any resources or can tell me about your first shroom planning I would be very interested to find out. I have no idea what the first dose should be for meditative work, I'm not planning on near death experience! Also, I expect I can goo-gle it, but what to do with a clutch of shrooms, can they be frozen, and no, I don't know a single sole on this planet who needs shrooms! lol

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If anyone is interested in the original question posed by this thread, I found this article which seems to nail it (but what do I know),

but what I mean it seems a lot more grounded which sometimes you need between listening to Leos videos> no offense Leo but the Life is a dream video is so off the wall, I had to check my head was still screwed on after listening to it.

 

http://psypressuk.com/2014/06/23/spiritual-growth-and-psychedelics-2/

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On 2/16/2018 at 9:10 AM, Neo said:

Psychedelics - are they "authentic"?

 

You join a club of "happy" people, you all meet up and all stand one one by one to say how happy you are and why. When it's your turn, you stand up and say, "I'm happy - I take Valium! In fact, I took a Valium and a bunch of other drugs just before I got here! I expect I'll be really miserable later!"

So, is it "authentic" and more importantly, are the "benefits" authentic. Can you reach the same end point as meditation AND not affect the possibility of making further progress with meditation alone.

Is it like taking soooo much VIAGRA, for years, and you're expected to perform for your Mrs, and you haven't got any VIAGRA and it's freezing cold, and there's a lot on your're mind, in fact, you have a headache and you're tired.

 

 

 

@Neo. Psychedelics are like no other thing. I assume they are not like viagra and Valium. Of course you should try them, responsibly and safely. If you are seeking enlightenment, use any resource. Heed @Leo Gura‘s warning. Psychedelics are uncompromising. They’ll rip every concept right out of you. Start small. Slow & steady is best. Allow ample time for the insights to integrate. Good luck and have fun man! Don’t forget a report :)


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NONDUALITY LOA  My Youtube Channel  THE TRUE NATURE

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