Brain And Consciousness

[momo]

If the consciousness is not produced by the brain , why any chemical imbalance or damage in the brain alters our awarness ?

Edited August 24, 2017 by momo

[Leo Gura]

Why does Mario die in a video game when he gets hit in the head by a turtle shell?

Does the turtle shell damage his brain?

[Erlend K]

Consciousness may or may not be produced by the brain. No one knows yet. Consciousness is still one of the great mysteries of the universe.

If consciousness exists independent of the brain, then at least the content of consciousness (Information from sense organs, thoughts, feelings, the sense of there being a "Self" in control etc.) is either produced or at least strongly affected by changes in the brain. I think that's the best answer to this question. Consciousness and the content of Consciousness (or said differently: awareness and that which awareness is aware of) are two fundamentally different things. One seems to be clearly a product of the mind, the other we can only speculate about what is.

Edited August 25, 2017 by Erlend K

[Martin123]

4 hours ago, momo said:

If the consciousness is not produced by the brain , why any chemical imbalance or damage in the brain alters our awarness ?

It alters perception and experience

[momo]

17 hours ago, Martin123 said:

It alters perception and experience

Why ? Why perception and experience have a relationship with the brain ? The brain is a concept !

[LaucherJunge]

4 hours ago, momo said:

Why ? Why perception and experience have a relationship with the brain ? The brain is a concept !

Counsciouness is a stream. The brain simply catches this stream like a radio signal at best, it surely does not produce it.

[Ananta]

3 hours ago, LaucherJunge said:

The brain is a concept !

The brain is part of the body. An analogy (a computer)- the brain is the hardware, universal intellegence the software, awareness/consciousness the electricity. 

[Nahm]

I don't know if I have a brain, anymore than I know I was born. 

[Ananta]

17 minutes ago, Nahm said:

I don't know if I have a brain, anymore than I know I was born. 

Do you exist? Are you experiencing?

[Privet]

23 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Why does Mario die in a video game when he gets hit in the head by a turtle shell?

Does the turtle shell damage his brain?

Mu!

[Dodo]

On 25/08/2017 at 0:46 AM, momo said:

If the consciousness is not produced by the brain , why any chemical imbalance or damage in the brain alters our awarness ?

Nothing alters your awareness, awareness is always pure, shapeless, changeless. The object, which is the life experience you are aware of is what changes. 

However, the life experience you are aware of is only a dream-like existence and doesn't have real solidity to it. What has solidity (any reality to it) is the awareness with which you know your entire experience. This will stay the same after you get hit with a bat over the head or many say even after death. Gonna check that on the way out.

Edited August 26, 2017 by Dodo

[Nahm]

@Anna1 yes and no it seems

[Ramu]

@Nahm Great point!  It seems that most are still trying to explain consciousness through mechanistic principles, like most rationalists would.  You are consciousness itself.

[Nahm]

@Ramu Thanks. And, ya, it's no thing territory. The very idea of it doesn't fit in the brain. It's the other way around. 

[Ramu]

@Nahm Now you're getting it.

[Dodo]

 

Here's an unrelated video about consciousness and brain that I wanted to open new thread for, but then remembered this thread that has name that is good for this  

Wow, this vid is very interesting! 

(Scientist gets stroke which result in insights into our true nature - from 9 years ago)

Edited August 26, 2017 by Dodo

[Aware]

Turn it around, "awareness and brain."

People with poor intellect and fund of knowledge are fooled to believe Awareness is produced by the brain. The brain is empty in nature. The body is nothing without Awareness, but Awareness is ONE, situated in all hearts as ONE and is never born and thus will not die.

People are only led by the false belief That out of emptiness comes all. That is like believing out of smoke came the fire while the smoke has no relationship with its cause. It has no relationship because its empty in nature and simply Goes according conditions by which it is depending upon.

things That are depending upon circumstances Cannot be the cause of That which is Independed and knows no cause yet is fully conscious.

 Simularly like the Fire example is Awareness and our body. The body and mind and intellect are holding no connection with Awareness, ever so is Awareness the cause and sustainer of thinking, intelligence and body.

Your nature is Indestructability and causeless compared to physical and mental objects which are empty in nature. (Physical objects do not and Cannot desire).

Thus, believers That Awareness came from nothing clearly believe they came from objects and themselves came from the body. Without studying the nature of both one will remain in the dark.

Knowledgable people with stable intellect understand That the body can be compared with clothes That ONE changes when it became useless, and understand after studying That which is changing and empty and That which remains still and present is inevitable without question The cause of all missery and happiness experienced without itself being attached to it.

As a result of such deep contemplation people with a steady mind and intellect are like a solid rock in the midst of storm and peaceful weather. 

If Awareness but a moment would stop being Aware, literally all will fall.

Howerer, this is not so when a body went useless. Then just 1 body became useless while Awareness is still shining as an all pervading sun through the other countless bodies and the mental modes they are in.

Thus may it be clear, no matter in which state the body or mind is, the most subtle of subtle, Awareness, remains unaffected and remains unattached to such events. Only the material mental modes are shaken by circumstances.

This truth can only be fully understood by devotional service in service of The Living ONE which leads to full realization of self and seeing the living ONE in all and all within Oneself which is the supreme goal of life.

However, this truth can be experieced by different forms of yoga in various ways, but rarily this truth is understood.

May you Therefore not seek the awnsers by any other means then yoga, which clears the polution of such false believes you came from nothing, which is the root belief of seeking how you (Awareness) came from the brain.

When cleared through yoga You will shine like you do now, but like a sun in autum, cloudless in a blue sky.

Ahayah Ashar Ahayah Momo!

Chant and be free!

Edited August 27, 2017 by Aware