Awakenings make everyday life better but strip away the peaks of being human.

[UnbornTao]

@Joseph Maynor I wrote a long response but ended up deleting it right away. As things stand, it would require a shit ton of effort to get this ability across. 

Consider what it takes to recognize skill in others, and what it takes to learn to sort out charlatans from the real deal. What does one pay attention to in this case? And how does one "listen"?

Anyhow, something to look into.

[Joseph Maynor]

7 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

@Joseph Maynor I wrote a long response but ended up deleting it right away. As things stand, it would require a shit ton of effort to get this ability across. 

Consider what it takes to recognize skill in others, and what it takes to learn to sort out charlatans from the real deal. What does one pay attention to in this case? And how does one "listen"?

Anyhow, something to look into.

Who would you consider to be a charlatan vs. the real deal?

[Terell Kirby]

8 hours ago, Davino said:

Having sex with the hottest woman, riding a rollercoaster, partying or going to a great concert, skydiving, vacations, christmas, your wedding, the birth of your child... All of these are great moments, but they'll lose it's psychic magnetic experiencial appeal,

That’s not how it’s supposed to work in practice.

You understand that these material experiences you listed out do not comprise the highest form of happiness or fulfillment by themselves. Yet they are part of your conscious experience as a human.

Getting in touch with your Absolute nature allows you to see and experience these things from a higher vantage point. And just because you’ve had Awakenings does not necessitate the denial of your desire to experience these finite forms of Love.

After all- Having sex with someone you consider a 10, or eating some good food- does something for you that sitting in a cave contemplating God cannot do (and vice versa). We can learn to appreciate both as part of conscious experience.

Edited 13 hours ago by Terell Kirby

[Willy Phallicus]

Having filthy hot sex with a smoking hot woman who is into it and into you is amazing regardless.

Post awakening your happiness doesn't depend on starring in your own porn film.

[Davino]

7 hours ago, Someone here said:

have you dealt with the existential terror you posted about a while ago ? 

Yes, I needed some time to recompose myself and work everyday on it.

7 hours ago, Someone here said:

God does not punish you for failing to acknowledge Him. The punishment is the inability to perceive Him in the ordinary mundane moments of everyday life. I think psychedelics elevate consciousness to such an extraordinary level..far beyond meditation or intellectual contemplation that they allow people to experience the presence of God in the present moment with far greater intensity. 

Yes, it could be framed in that way.

[Davino]

6 hours ago, bazera said:

I haven't awoken yet but those peak human experiences always dissapoint me in the end because they all still seem shallow and not enough, leaving me with a feeling that there must be more to this life then those experiences.

Won't Awakening show that there is?

Yes, Awakening shows you what truly satisfies and then what already disappointed you because of its shallowness, now it will do it even more.

[Davino]

6 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

The main thing to do here is to look at what experience itself is - beyond one's ready-made answers and certainties, no matter how intelligent or reasonable they might sound. If awakening is not an experience, perception, feeling, state, or insight, what is it?

How come an Awakening is going to happen if there is no experience there. There is the experience of the Awakening; experience is the same as reality there are no layers here: existence, consciousness, experience, reality, sensations, being, truth, it's one and the same.

I did go on for a quite some years in that direction of just pure trascendental Consciousness itself. Separating consciousness from the particular manifestation or state it was in, independent of the dream so to speak. What is consciousness beyond the dream, beyond experience, beyond sensations, beyond highs and downs.

Then it dawned on me. I realised that Consciousness and Dream cocreate each other. That Consciousness must be in one form or the other. That the trascendental reality is ever-present immanently shape shifting for infinity. That to pursue Consciousness abstract of its manifestation is impossible, that the ultimate trascendentalism looped back into immanence. That you cannot separate consciousness from the dream and that all direct Consciousness will necessarily be in one way or the other.

It's like a TV; this here now is the boundless sentient consciousness field in which all dreams or movies run. If you go for the screen you realise of course its independent of the sensation or experience. In the same way the screen of this device can run all experiences but is independent of it. If you proceed for years on this inquiry line you'll be directly conscious that consciousness itself is always in one dream or the other, in one experience or the other. In the same way that this screen can run all movies or be pitch black or all white, it doesn't matter but despite being independent and transcendental it always is something in particular and immanent.

[bazera]

56 minutes ago, Davino said:

Yes, Awakening shows you what truly satisfies and then what already disappointed you because of its shallowness, now it will do it even more.

Would you say that in some way you regret Awakening because in comparison nothing comes close in terms of satisfaction in life? Do you feel like you lost something?

Or is it all positive and I'm misinterpreting? I interpreted your post as sort of a warning for those who hadn't had Awakening experiences.

Edited 9 hours ago by bazera

[Davino]

7 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

Years ago, for example, you claimed or implied that Ramana was beneath or "lower" because, in your mind, contrasted with some model or map you've intellectually devised, he "lacked" X awakening or some shit like that. You can probably see where this might be coming from, and it's always about states - often drug-induced, is it not?

No, I said he lacked yogic awakenings which is true because he himself admitted to be a jnani not a yogi or a bhakti. He explained there are many other valid paths like yoga or bhakti. So if anyone is interested to become a master all those paths simultaneously, then I claim, he lacks that. If you want pure jnana and introspection, Ramana is amazing in that.

I'm interested in the most holistic and complete levels of Awakening. So if anyone lacks a facet of Awakening I'll point it out. This an import skill, so that you can identify each expert for each thing and can learn from the best. For yoga go to Lahiri Mahasaya, for Self-inquiry to Ramana, for Love to Ramakrishna, to say a few.

[Davino]

@bazera Awakenings are the best thing that happened in my life. Just warning that you'll get to enjoy less earthly things for you will have tasted heaven.

Edited 9 hours ago by Davino

[Eskilon]

Nice post!

@Davino A bit off-topic but since you're here lol. I've had Kundalini awakenings, and still have it with me in daily life when I pay attention to it. It's like an inner fire that is pleasurable but intense at the same time, it feels like a blessing. However, I am not awake yet. I want to know how is Kundalini for you. Did you experience in your journey? Do you still have it with you at will in daily life? If you did experience, how was it, did it help you progress spiritually? And also, did you awaken it after awakening or before? 

Edited 9 hours ago by Eskilon

[Davino]

3 hours ago, Terell Kirby said:

You understand that these material experiences you listed out do not comprise the highest form of happiness or fulfillment by themselves. Yet they are part of your conscious experience as a human.

Getting in touch with your Absolute nature allows you to see and experience these things from a higher vantage point. And just because you’ve had Awakenings does not necessitate the denial of your desire to experience these finite forms of Love.

After all- Having sex with someone you consider a 10, or eating some good food- does something for you that sitting in a cave contemplating God cannot do (and vice versa). We can learn to appreciate both as part of conscious experience.

Yes, we are on the same page here.

[Davino]

@Eskilon Hi brother, yes I've experienced kundalini quite a lot and I practice kundalini yoga (I recommend Yogigems from YouTube, she's great).

I had classic Awakenings before kundalini but it was kundalini which allowed me to be established in radical new baseline states of consciousness. I did get a few siddhis from this process as well.

Kundalini is quite essential to how I do spirituality. I discovered that for me at least, the highest states of consciousness are not accessible without profound inner work with Kundalini. I remember one crazy awakening that I thought I'd be fried like a chicken due to the raw intensity of the Awakening I was having, my whole body and nervous system couldn't hold it. At that moment I realised, oh kundalini is the embodied energetic bottleneck for Awakening.

That's what got me into kundalini yoga (much better than Kriya yoga in my opinion, it's more interactive and playful) and working with it allowed me to handle my Awakenings in a much more holistic and grounded way.

I have to say it has been a challenging path for me because I have scoliosis and my spine is s-twisted so having intense electrical energy going through it which desires to be straight and healthy has been at times painfully healing. So I'm sure you'll have it much easier than me to work with Kundalini and that in my case it has been extremely useful and crucial. Specially if you're doing psychedelics, good kundalini will protect your body and mind for the peaks of consciousness, working daily on a stable base.

Moreover, few things are as powerfully beautiful as a full kundalini blast. Once I had such a crazy kundalini Awakening that LSD paled in comparison, I was ecstatic for days. 

I know some people struggle with Kundalini, are there any particular difficulties that you're facing Eskilon?

[Eskilon]

1 hour ago, Davino said:

I recommend Yogigems from YouTube, she's great).

Oh! I didn't know about her channel, thanks. Will check it out to see how it interact with my kundalini process.

1 hour ago, Davino said:

I had classic Awakenings before kundalini but it was kundalini which allowed me to be established in radical new baseline states of consciousness. I did get a few siddhis from this process as well.

Kundalini is quite essential to how I do spirituality. I discovered that for me at least, the highest states of consciousness are not accessible without profound inner work with Kundalini. I remember one crazy awakening that I thought I'd be fried like a chicken due to the raw intensity of the Awakening I was having, my whole body and nervous system couldn't hold it. At that moment I realised, oh kundalini is the embodied energetic bottleneck for Awakening.

Interesting to know about your experience. Thanks for sharing man.

My Kundalini awakening I got it from an Ayahuasca ceremony. I never went into a trip on any psyche with Kundalini intention, it just happened on that day. Although the Kundalini energy is intense sometimes, it helps with centering during meditation and body awareness in general. So yeah, despite not being awakened yet, I view it as a blessing or a gift.

Also, I am aware that it can, and probably will get more intense and challeging from here as I progress on this path. But I will not back down.

1 hour ago, Davino said:

I have to say it has been a challenging path for me because I have scoliosis and my spine is s-twisted so having intense electrical energy going through it which desires to be straight and healthy has been at times painfully healing. So I'm sure you'll have it much easier than me to work with Kundalini and that in my case it has been extremely useful and crucial. Specially if you're doing psychedelics, good kundalini will protect your body and mind for the peaks of consciousness, working daily on a stable base.

Man, it must be rough for you, wtf! I mean, meditating, tripping, all usually requires that you sit in a certain way for a certain ammount of time. Props for you for pushing through that despite your spine condition! 

 

1 hour ago, Davino said:

I know some people struggle with Kundalini, are there any particular difficulties that you're facing Eskilon?

Right now, not really. But, if I do encounter challenging situations with it I will definetly come here or read a book lol. Although it`s not uncomfortably challening now, maybe I should read a book about it since it's a reality for me now -- what do you think?

[EmiHyen]

Thanks for what you wrote! I find it interesting that the things we call the “peaks” of life are things humans are naturally biased to value because they create pleasure, fun, reproduction, or social stability, basically things that benefit survival. 

Like, we never say: “Oh no, my awakening means I’ll never feel loneliness, confusion, uncertainty, or boredom the same way as before.” If anything, we even wish awakening would delete our ability to feel those things forever hehe.

At the end, those “peak good experiences” produce so much neurosis because we collectively treat them as absolute. I find it funny seeing people finally living those peak moments, sex, success, experiences, and still being unable to truly flow with them. They are unhappy. Neurotic. Their minds are already thinking about what comes next. They fall into FOMO, comparison, or even bad decisions simply because culture dictates that they should live those experiences. People lose the ability to consciously balance their lives because they become obsessed with chasing peaks and never learn to integrate or love the parts of life that aren’t “goodies.”

Even if it’s freaking hard to integrate, living those peak human moments from Truth instead of fiction is the most beautiful way to live them. Pure Love   And you can get rid of so many unnecessary neuroses and design your life in the most meaningful way possible.

[UnbornTao]

10 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Who would you consider to be a charlatan vs. the real deal?

Depends on what field we're talking about. Being a charlatan tends to be the norm, though. 

[Joseph Maynor]

47 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Depends on what field we're talking about. Being a charlatan tends to be the norm, though. 

I appreciate your high standards.  

[Breakingthewall]

19 hours ago, Davino said:

Having sex with the hottest woman, riding a rollercoaster, partying or going to a great concert, skydiving, vacations, christmas, your wedding, the birth of your child.

It's quite different to have sex with a woman because shes hot than the real divine connection that is possible between a woman and a man that gives life. Also it's different to partying or rollercoaster that the birth of your child if you are really open to what that birth is. 

Real awakening means be one with the divine, see it in the reality that is happening. Real connection between humans is divine, partying use to be just evasion and validation. Could be nice but we should differentiate.

When you talk about awakening seems that you mean experiences kind of mystical , maybe induced by psychedelics. The point is that the life is mystical, but we are closed to it because the human condition that comes from an evolutive path that made or psyche dense. Real awakening means making that psyche clear, it's not easy. 

Probably your path leads you to a point where there is no difference between divine and mundane, if you align the mundane with the divine. It's not easy at all because all the humans work in dense mode, but they are an expression of the absolute. They are the absolute in human form. 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Breakingthewall