How many women did you meet before you found a girlfriend?

[Never_give_up]

Do I have to meet a thousand if i am not relative that attractive? 

[Emerald]

No. Just start socializing in groups with men and women in them. (school, hobby groups, or any other place that you frequent)

Make friends and acquaintances with the men and the women in the group.

And over time, if you are authentic, a small but sizable percentage of women in the group will be interested in you.... and you can spark up something when you sense chemistry. 

[aurum]

Depends on how high your standards are, your social circle and your skills at cold approach.

In my experience, it’ll take at least a couple months of going out consistently to get into a quality relationship. Could easily take longer.

[Something Funny]

3 hours ago, Never_give_up said:

Do I have to meet a thousand if i am not relative that attractive? 

Probably much less then a thousand.

Depends on what you mean by "meet" as well.

Actually approaching someone and asking out on a date? I think you could do it under a hundred, especially if they are no cold approaches.

I think it is important to remember that in the end, it is very luck based. It just depends on when you will meet the right person. She could be the 100s girl you approach or she could be literally the first. It is equally as likely.

Also, remember that if someone agrees to go on a date with you, this suggests that you are already physically attractive enough for them. Maybe with some exceptions. So if she rejects you after a date it was probably either because your social skills sucked or you just didn't match personality-wise.

At least that's my current opinion.

[Schizophonia]

I'm not in a relationship but i met plenty of girls, because I want someone with great compatibility and to be in good health; otherwise it's a lose of time and a recipe for disaster.

Edited yesterday at 05:40 PM by Schizophonia

[pablo_aka_god]

I've cold approached around 1K women and still single.

My sex life improved. it's not great but i'm no longer an incel as I used to be 5 years ago.

I keep going.

Thinking I have to find a GF by X date or approach number Y never worked for me and I tried it for years.

I'm starting to entertain the idea that I may die alone and keep cold approaching even in my 50s, so I still have 20 years to get good at it. 

Imagine the possibilities after 20 years of game?

 

We were brainwashed since babies to find a GF and get married otherwise we are worthless. at 30 I'm starting to challenge this assumption.

if I build a great business,  create great products to live behind, help my family, travel and sometimes have good sex w strangers, is this life inferior to one where I focus on a life partner?

 

Edited yesterday at 02:06 PM by pablo_aka_god
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[Hojo]

0 I didnt even want to go out with my first girlfriend but people told me I should. Then I fell in love and went mad. Because falling in love is madness. I only had 1 and I saw everything. When we break up I felt like I was dying and I was like why do I feel like I am dying. Then I said Oh my God I am seeing my invisible self.

I used to have panic attack cause of fear of death and when me and my gf broke up i started having them the same way. And I connect the dots and see the identity.

No woman has asked me out but I have had many ask to give me a bj. They treat me like a peice of meat.

It has nothing to do with your attractiveness. If you were in an attractive body the person would be the same.

Women are like men when it comes to sex with attractive guy. You just have a made up fantasy that they are fairies and angels. They are just as ruthless and disgusting as men with sex maybe even more.

Edited yesterday at 05:09 PM by Hojo

[Spiral]

3 hours ago, Hojo said:

 with sex maybe even more.

More definitely. We at least try to hide it. 

[Xonas Pitfall]

3 hours ago, Hojo said:

You just have a made up fantasy that they are fairies and angels.

Hey! Do you mind me asking more about this? What do you think is the ideal male fantasy? How do you think men often view women? What kind of archetypes can they fall into? Sirens, angels, fairies, etc?

[Hojo]

@Xonas Pitfall men are taught they are disgusting for being sexual and woman are seen to not be like that. They are seen to be more loving and caring. There are massive double standards when it comes to me and women in terms of sex and its in favor of women. 

A woman text me she ask me if she could give me a blowjob I said no I'm not attracted to you. Then she asked again and again and again. I said no I'm not attractive. I tell my mother and she said she likes me and I should give her a chance. If me as a man texted a woman that I want to eat her pussy and she said no and I kept doing it the cops would be called. 

Society wonders why no ones dating and its because if double standards like this.

Fast forward to 4 years later she was still doing it. I thought I was stuck in a karmic loop so I said ok. We did it then she started pushing feelings on me. I trust you you make me feel good. I told her to fuck off. The she goes and talks about how im uncaring

I'm always the bad guy in any scenario cause I'm a man. She treated me like a peice of meat and I did it back after hounding me for 4 years  and I'm the bad guy.

This woman stole my phone number from a list of work phone numbers to do this too.

Edited 22 hours ago by Hojo

[Hojo]

@Xonas Pitfall they are 60 percent succubus. Men are actually the angels. The angels get conned into this via the body chemistry and society. A man is born innocent and remains innocent until corrupted by outside forces. You are innocent and get gaslit by literally everyone to think you arent. Then you become corrupt. Men arent looking for this type of stuff they want a woman to love. The man will give his life for the woman and the woman never will. Thats true love (from the man). When women look for love they look for someone to take care of them and help them. The man just wants to give himself away to the woman.

Men are born and told that true love exists and that they will find a woman and they will be together forever and they beleive it and when they realize its not true they become disdained because they put themselves on the line for someone who dosent actually care about them the same way they put out. And that type of love rarely exists here.

All a man wants is to be with someone who will love them. But they get gaslit into thinking that they actually just want sex when women are way more sexual. Then the woman does perverted things to the man and it makes him perverted.

Edited 21 hours ago by Hojo

[Hojo]

Whats happening to men in the West is actually disgusting on so many levels is beyond demonic.

[Xonas Pitfall]

@Hojo I see... I'm really sorry you had to go through that. Hugs. It’s definitely not as black and white (they are demons, they are angels); it’s really about people being toxic on both sides of the spectrum. But I get that the discussion here isn't the most productive.

If I may ask, what do you think is initially thought of women? I am trying to understand the idealistic fantasies that men/society can often put onto women. By the way, I am not saying this in a negative light; I was just always curious about "archetypal" ideals on both ends, so I thought I could ask you from your POV. Hence, why I asked about fairies, angels, etc.

[Hojo]

@Xonas PitfallIts initially seen from men that women are angels fairies pixies. Basically innocent beings that can do no wrong. They dance around and act cute are clean and are open more than men.

Men are dirty warriors they arent supposed to have identities and are supposed to act like robots. Meanwhile we are programmed towards the feminine cause the government needs to herd us. If men were true warriors the government cant exist.

Edited 21 hours ago by Hojo

[Princess Arabia]

32 minutes ago, Hojo said:

A woman text me she ask me if she could give me a blowjob I said no I'm not attracted to you. Then she asked again and again and again. I said no I'm not attractive. I tell my mother and she said she likes me and I should give her a chance. If me as a man texted a woman that I want to eat her pussy and she said no and I kept doing it the cops would be called. 

This is not normal behavior on all levels just so you know. This is a very unique and one of a kind story. 

[Xonas Pitfall]

@Hojo I'd love for you to expand on this more if you're comfortable with it. If it's too much or triggering, feel free to let me know, and I’ll back off. I can just be very curious, so I tend to ask a lot of questions... But I'd really like to understand how the fantasy is played out and seen. What traits do you typically associate with it? Do you have a particular image in your mind, like someone in a white dress, maybe blonde with blue eyes, or a nurturing, empathetic personality? Warm, waiting for you at home? I’d love to see it from your perspective, as fleshed out as possible.

[Xonas Pitfall]

Just now, Princess Arabia said:

This is not normal behavior on all levels just so you know. This is a very unique and one of a kind story. 

Definitely, that person sounds incredibly cruel, reckless, and inconsiderate. It's not how a person who loves you would ever treat you.

[Hojo]

My favourite show growing up was boy meets world. So I looked at life like that. Like we were supposed to meet one person and fall in love forever. That illusion was shattered when I tried and it literally cannot work in real life. Its impossible.

[Hojo]

@Princess ArabiaIt hasnt happened just once. Its happened at least twice to me. It happened another time and I rejected the woman and she lost it on me. She was a my roomate in like a boarding house and then everyone in the building started not talking to me. I find when you insult a womans beauty she gets very angry internally. Cause womans value is beauty. And men is supposed value sex. If man rejects that must mean you are very ugly. Then anger comes.

Edited 21 hours ago by Hojo

[Xonas Pitfall]

It seems to me that both men and women grew up with some form of idealized fantasy about perfect love. We were sold on it through movies, shows, unconscious archetypes, and projections. As children, we also saw the world through rose-colored glasses, innocent, unaware of survival instincts and ego, so those early imaginings became very dear to us. Adding a spiritual angle, if we believe we’re all expressions of God (or Love), then it’s natural to dream to that extent.

I guess this applies to most things in life: dream jobs, the impact we hope to have on the world, our beliefs about human nature, friendships, even our own talents and capabilities. Over time, we’re slowly confronted by limitations.

I suppose I started wondering how, even though we all have our own “distorted fantasies” that eventually get challenged, the nature of those fantasies often seems fundamentally different between men and women. That made me curious about how each side sees the other, how those expectations play out in real life.

For example, someone might expect a confident, protective, gentlemanly “Prince Charming” but end up with an emotionally unavailable, lust-driven cheater. Or, conversely, expect a loving, nurturing, kind “angel” and instead meet an attention-seeking, manipulative succubus. (Of course, that’s heavily stereotyped on both sides.) We hope for God and end up facing the Ego, and the cycle continues...