Why psychedelics can lead to god ?

[archi]

It would be interesting  to give psychedelics to animal (cat or dog or monkey etc), one might get answers. Good old invasive science experiments.

 

[archi]

1 hour ago, CosmicExplorer said:

Psychedelics only reduce brain activity/metabolism. The remaining activity is more connected, yes. But your brain is essentially going to sleep while you're on them.

This is what I realized, that you get blue screen and computer is switched off. If it is not switched off then it is like you randomly access part of brain and get pictures.

[Basman]

Apparently reindeer get high from eating red cap mushrooms. They are immune to the poison. 

https://www.cairngormreindeer.co.uk/2017/10/13/why-the-reindeer-loves-its-mushrooms/

Animals getting high is nothing new and potentially rooted in incorporating new behavior and evolving the species. This book by Samini is all about animals taking drugs:

https://www.amazon.com/Animals-Psychedelics-Natural-Instinct-Consciousness/dp/089281986

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From caffeine-dependent goats to nectar addicted ants, the animal kingdom offers amazing examples of wild animals and insects seeking out and consuming the psychoactive substances in their environments. Author Giorgio Samorini explores this little-known phenomenon and suggests that, far from being confined to humans, the desire to experience altered states of consciousness is a natural drive shared by all living beings and that animals engage in these behaviors deliberately. Rejecting the Western cultural assumption that using drugs is a negative action or the result of an illness, Samorini opens our eyes to the possibility that beings who consume psychedelics--whether humans or animals--contribute to the evolution of their species by creating entirely new patterns of behavior that eventually will be adopted by other members of that species. The author's fascinating accounts of mushroom-loving reindeer, intoxicated birds, and drunken elephants ensure that readers will never view the animal world in quite the same way again.

Perhaps there is a correlation between poison and hallucinogenic effects and narcotic effects in general. IE. when self-defense measures become benign you are left with certain narcotic effects.

[Basman]

Rudolf's cooked.

[Davino]

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Why psychedelics can lead to God ?

Because God imagined so.

 

[Vynce]

8 hours ago, CosmicExplorer said:

Psychedelics only reduce brain activity/metabolism. The remaining activity is more connected, yes. But your brain is essentially going to sleep while you're on them.

??? in no world does this make any sense. whats your definition of sleep then. Its pretty much the deepest opposite of being asleep possible. cite your source.

[CosmicExplorer]

4 hours ago, Vynce said:

??? in no world does this make any sense. whats your definition of sleep then. Its pretty much the deepest opposite of being asleep possible. cite your source.

@Vynce I used the word sleep colloquially, the brain is less active on psychedelics than in sleep. Furthermore, metabolically, the brain under anesthesia is further away from a state in which the dead brain is than in a normal sober waking state, and the brain in a normal sober waking state is further away from the dead brain than the brain on psychedelics. The point is that psychedelics are the best death simulator we have.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1119598109

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15179026/ (in rats)

"Human EEG studies with serotonergic psychedelics consistently report a broadband spectral power decrease (delta to gamma) most pronounced within the alpha band (8–12 Hz) and a decrease in functional connectivity and integrity of networks [21,22,23,24,25,26]. On the other hand, increases in higher frequencies (gamma oscillations, 30 Hz and above) have been also described [27,28,29]; however, the effects are hard to interpret due to typical contamination related to increased tension of the facial muscles. MEG, in contrast to EEG, is devoid of this contamination [30], and on the contrary shows a decrease in oscillations within the gamma range [31]."

https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1518377113

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15179026/

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-51974-4

Anesthesia:

https://www.cell.com/neuron/fulltext/S0896-6273(24)00446-X?_returnURL=https%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS089662732400446X%3Fshowall%3Dtrue

 

Edited July 11 by CosmicExplorer

[Leo Gura]

12 hours ago, momo said:

I think the explanation is that psychedelics alter the brain and its neurons so that increases consciousness

That's not the issue. The question is why?

[Vynce]

2 hours ago, CosmicExplorer said:

@Vynce I used the word sleep colloquially, the brain is less active on psychedelics than in sleep. Furthermore, metabolically, the brain under anesthesia is further away from a state in which the dead brain is than in a normal sober waking state, and the brain in a normal sober waking state is further away from the dead brain than the brain on psychedelics. The point is that psychedelics are the best death simulator we have.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1119598109

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15179026/ (in rats)

"Human EEG studies with serotonergic psychedelics consistently report a broadband spectral power decrease (delta to gamma) most pronounced within the alpha band (8–12 Hz) and a decrease in functional connectivity and integrity of networks [21,22,23,24,25,26]. On the other hand, increases in higher frequencies (gamma oscillations, 30 Hz and above) have been also described [27,28,29]; however, the effects are hard to interpret due to typical contamination related to increased tension of the facial muscles. MEG, in contrast to EEG, is devoid of this contamination [30], and on the contrary shows a decrease in oscillations within the gamma range [31]."

https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1518377113

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15179026/

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-51974-4

Anesthesia:

https://www.cell.com/neuron/fulltext/S0896-6273(24)00446-X?_returnURL=https%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS089662732400446X%3Fshowall%3Dtrue

 

I don't know bro. I've had a lot of psychedelics and anesthetics in my blood throughout my life, and both resulting states couldn't be farther away from each other experientially.

[vibv]

19 hours ago, archi said:

It would be interesting  to give psychedelics to animal (cat or dog or monkey etc), one might get answers. Good old invasive science experiments.

 

What would that achieve? It's not even possible to understand them by giving them to a human and then just talking to them afterwards...

[samijiben]

8 hours ago, CosmicExplorer said:

@Vynce I used the word sleep colloquially, the brain is less active on psychedelics than in sleep. Furthermore, metabolically, the brain under anesthesia is further away from a state in which the dead brain is than in a normal sober waking state, and the brain in a normal sober waking state is further away from the dead brain than the brain on psychedelics. The point is that psychedelics are the best death simulator we have.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1119598109

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15179026/ (in rats)

"Human EEG studies with serotonergic psychedelics consistently report a broadband spectral power decrease (delta to gamma) most pronounced within the alpha band (8–12 Hz) and a decrease in functional connectivity and integrity of networks [21,22,23,24,25,26]. On the other hand, increases in higher frequencies (gamma oscillations, 30 Hz and above) have been also described [27,28,29]; however, the effects are hard to interpret due to typical contamination related to increased tension of the facial muscles. MEG, in contrast to EEG, is devoid of this contamination [30], and on the contrary shows a decrease in oscillations within the gamma range [31]."

https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1518377113

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15179026/

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-51974-4

Anesthesia:

https://www.cell.com/neuron/fulltext/S0896-6273(24)00446-X?_returnURL=https%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS089662732400446X%3Fshowall%3Dtrue

 

Pretty interesting!

When you say psychedelics are like a death simulator, you seem to be talking about physical death as in cessation of the beating of the heart of the organism in question...

But how does this make sense beyond whatever data-extrapolation-thing from above that you did? The body is more alive on psychedelics. That's why I take that shit while climbing mountains. 

[CosmicExplorer]

14 hours ago, Vynce said:

I don't know bro. I've had a lot of psychedelics and anesthetics in my blood throughout my life, and both resulting states couldn't be farther away from each other experientially.

Well, that's exacly what those studies are showing. Brain on psychedelics vs anesthetised brain is like the polar opposite.

8 hours ago, samijiben said:

When you say psychedelics are like a death simulator, you seem to be talking about physical death as in cessation of the beating of the heart of the organism in question...

But how does this make sense beyond whatever data-extrapolation-thing from above that you did? The body is more alive on psychedelics.

I'm talking about brain-death. Perhaps the body have more metabolism on psychedelics, I don't know about that.

[MaDoubt]

On 7/11/2025 at 0:46 PM, CosmicExplorer said:

Psychedelics only reduce brain activity/metabolism. The remaining activity is more connected, yes. But your brain is essentially going to sleep while you're on them.

Exactly! They don't increase, but reduce brain activity and by this throttle down (and in the case of 5-MEO kill) your mind (with a small m) , and by doing that you get access to broader consciousness ( impersonal one). In the case of 5-MEO your mind (with a small m) is completely shut down and you become Mind (capital M).

By this mechanism you get information which seems to be not yours on high doses of LSD (from the Collective Unconscious) or to become  God on 5-MEO. The mechanism by which this is happening is a weakening of the Ego or complete destruction (like 5-MEO does) - things which will show up on a CT-scan as a decrease of brain activity.

Everything is consciousness in the end, our personal minds are just delimitations in that consciousness and psychedelics are making the borders between personal and impersonal more transparent (disolving them completely in the case of 5-MEO).

Ma