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[integral]

@Daniel Balan Its all good my man, they did the same thing to me last week. there is a issue on the forum with making claims about peoples perspectives and then denying them clarity when they try to explain themselves. The problem is when you clarify with any hint of emotion this subconsciously reinforces there beliefs and that the explanation is "defence" there for "wrong".

People care about vibe more then what is said. 

[Human Mint]

7 hours ago, Daniel Balan said:

Not for me. I smoke because I want to enjoy serenity at night. I only smoke at night, alone! The cigarette allows me to deeply concentrate on the present moment as I blow the smoke into the vast emptiness of the firmament. That is my favorite moment of the day the moment I light up my cigarette and stand in awe before the night sky. 

But consider how you started smoking. You had to tough up the smoke going to your lungs for the first time just out of conformity. Now you're an addict, it doesn't apply...

[Daniel Balan]

5 minutes ago, Human Mint said:

But consider how you started smoking. You had to tough up the smoke going to your lungs for the first time just out of conformity. Now you're an addict, it doesn't apply...

I started smoking because I stole cigarettes when I was 12 from my uncles. That was conformity. Then I smoked a lot throughout middle school and highschool, i was addicted and I quit cold turkey in 2017, never smoked till 2022 at all, in 2022 I began a habit of spending time at night alone looking at the nightsky for hours on end a few days a week, then I decided that a smoking a cigarette during the time I look at the sky and contemplate would make me more happy, and it did. And I ve been doing that ever since 2023 consistently. I never been more happier.

[Yimpa]

I like how the comeback blog post says 2 months no posts even tho it’s technically 3 months.

Being wrong is good!!!

[Someone here]

@Daniel Balan dude dust off the motherfucking cigarettes. You have no idea what you are getting yourself into. You don't want to die .you want a long happy life. If you get cancer you're done .the chemotherapy is gonna turn your immune system into jelly cola and your hair will fall ..zero energy ..Erectile Dysfunction..puking your guts after any meal .dude I understand the cigarettes high is unreal but please we should be better than this .why are we here ? To improve our lives ? Right ?

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

7 hours ago, Daniel Balan said:

I perceived it as an attempt to discredit the way I percieve my actions and an attempt to sugest to me that I am unable to correctly assess my own behaviour. Which is gaslighting. 

Ah! Definitely not to discredit - to prompt self enquiry to look into any assumptions you may have overlooked. Sometimes there is more to our actions than we understand.

But then you doubled down with your conviction and rebuffed the prompt - and when that usually happens I take the user at their word. That IS their current truth. I have to take their word for it, as they know themselves better than I could over text. I don't have the sort of interoception they have, so I just accept it. 

I think I would consider it gaslighting if I tried to continually convince you otherwise, but in this case I feel I was playfully trying to make users look into their behaviour .. the motivations under the surface. With no actual force involved in making you question your reality. 

I just assumed you would be open to questioning

Edited 3 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Daniel Balan]

10 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Ah! Definitely not to discredit - to prompt self enquiry to look into any assumptions you may have overlooked. Sometimes there is more to our actions than we understand.

But then you doubled down with your conviction and rebuffed the prompt - and when that usually happens I take the user at their word. That IS their current truth. I have to take their word for it, as they know themselves better than I could over text. I don't have the sort of interoception they have, so I just accept it. 

I think I would consider it gaslighting if I tried to continually convince you otherwise, but in this case I feel I was playfully trying to make users look into their behaviour .. the motivations under the surface. With no actual force involved in making you question your reality. 

I just assumed you would be open to questioning

Love you Natasha Tori Maru. Don't perceive me as some stubborn kid that doubles down in his convictions. 

The reason I over reacted is because I am all the time questioning myself, every belief, every behaviour, I think non stop about everything that I do and that I think, every assumption I have is under microscope 24/7, and after so many years of doing things, some things I am very unsure about, and some things such as conformity I am pretty confident in my assumptions when I say some behaviours of mine are conformity and some aren't. I admited full disclosure that I got into cigarettes out of conformity, I quit for almost 4 years, and then I decided on my own volition that I want to have a moment every few days where I smoke in serenity. That was 100% my conscious decision. I spent a lot of time trying to quit, It was hell, addiciton was extremely stubborn I thought long before making the decision to smoke again.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Daniel Balan I understand that. No assumptions from me ! 

When you start questioning hardcore, you can tear up the foundations of certainty with EVERYTHING. Which can feel destabilising and do weird things to our conviction!

Been there ❤️

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[Daniel Balan]

28 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Daniel Balan I understand that. No assumptions from me ! 

When you start questioning hardcore, you can tear up the foundations of certainty with EVERYTHING. Which can feel destabilising and do weird things to our conviction!

Been there ❤️

❤️ Thanks for the love

Also recently I became more aggressive and chaotic in my behaviour because I am very, very fearful and paranoid about war. My psyche is in hyper drive because virtually all the people I know are fascists/communists that are extremely hateful and will expect the Russians with flowers once they destroy Ukraine, I live very close to Ukraine and I'm also not ethnically Romanian, I'm of Polish and Ukrainian heritage and those animals will torture me to death because the Russians will give them license to do so as the Russians do that themselves in Ukraine. I am the only liberal I know and I want to live in a world of rule of law and tolerance, not in the utter hell that is Russia, I began brutally preparing my body for war, I never worked out before and I'm quite fragile, I have terrible nightmares where thugs break my arms and legs, I am terrified of what will happen if the Russians advance in Ukraine and reach my home, I wake up in the middle of the night and start crying. My psyche is off to breaking point. That's why I overreacted and acted weird lately on the forum.😥

Edited 2 hours ago by Daniel Balan

[Daniel Balan]

6 hours ago, integral said:

@Daniel Balan Its all good my man, they did the same thing to me last week. there is a issue on the forum with making claims about peoples perspectives and then denying them clarity when they try to explain themselves. The problem is when you clarify with any hint of emotion this subconsciously reinforces there beliefs and that the explanation is "defence" there for "wrong".

People care about vibe more then what is said. 

Much love bro! I have no problem if someone contradicts me, I admit that upon thorough examination of every belief and opinion that I have, I have realized that I'm of staggering stupidity a lot of the times, I am also right sometimes but mostly, man... I am off the charts stupid. 

[Starlight321]

@Leo GuraI contentplated comformity and my insight is that it is sacrificing truth and not questioning it for survival advantages. You adjust your thinking and behaviour for the group you aim to be part of or you have preconceived notions/ a world view you're already biased towards and you comform to it every time it comes up in the mind and so it gets hardened.

One conforms easily a thousand times a day in various ways and degrees from by not telling what one really thinks about situations, going/falling into social roles, accepting authorities, not researching topics, hanging out with people etc.

If one did question the one particuliar thing one conformes to one probably will get shocked and be confronted to changing the behaviour and adjust and sacrifice survival advantages. However in some cases it is impossible to change it because there are no alternatives at the moment or in long term because some of them need to be in place for society to function like shitting in a toilet, the law, etc.

I personally notice how I often fall into comformity when buisiniss associates rationalising their greedy ways of doing buisines and marketing, new agers telling some shit about mind over body or spirits and energies or family members talking from their pov which economic policy was best. I do all of that too and also by not saying a word I'm comforming too. Therefore truth is the big thing here and being silent is a form of deception and falsehood. 

It is however in some cases more truthful to be silent because there are other angles of truth like the truth of consequences. That means what would happen when people hear the truth and fight it and/or cannot handle it (almost all to some degree). That points to wisdom in when it is best to conform and when not.

Another angle is that all this can be decribed as being biased toward ones ways of surival. 

So finally comformity is necessary but one can get more concious to get rid of some big chunks if he or she is willing to take the pain of truth and be willing to take action by thinking independently over the years.

@Leo Guraany comments and points I should go deeper into or habe missed?

[Leo Gura]

@Starlight321 What is the difference between someone who gets married for confromist reasons and someone who gets married for other reasons?

Case study: Elton John, a gay man, married a woman.

Edited 49 minutes ago by Leo Gura