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Covid vaccine can cause blood clots, AstraZeneca admits!

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https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/healthcare/biotech/healthcare/astrazeneca-acknowledges-covid-vaccine-can-lead-to-rare-side-effect-tss-in-court-heres-what-we-know/articleshow/109702543.cms?from=mdr

This would have been anti-science to speak about this just few years ago. This is why most of science is about hiding proof for a couple of years, until the damage has been done. God knows what more are they hiding.

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I knew it in 2021 when I did the vaccine but honestly the risk of blood clots from covid itself is higher, and this is what convinced me to do the vaccine in the first place, but I was concerned about the booster shot so I did only the 1&2 at the beginning.

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This is nothing new - this was acknowledged yeears ago.

Notice the tactics that are being used and  how non-tangible and sneaky the claim is in the video - "It can cause  blood clots and that can be lethal". That can can mean anything from 0.00000000000000001% to 100% - so why be such a weasel with words and why not put some numbers behind it? Well, the answer is because then it suddenly loses the power behind it and it ain't that news worthy anymore.

4 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

This would have been anti-science to speak about this just few years ago.

Yes of course and there are very clear and good reasons why.

Making a statement without having any strong evidence for that claim is nothing other than speculation, so why should anyone take your claim seriously? We can probably generate a 100 hypothesis for any given pattern that needs to be explained ,but that doesn't mean that each of those have the exact same probability to them and also doesn't mean that you can provide evidence for your hypothesis.

Once you provide strong tangible evidence, then your hypothesis will be taken seriously or what you can do is - dial way down the conviction in your hypothesis up until it is explored and investigated.

The question isn't about you having luck and stumbling your way (in reality being the victim of your biases) to a conclusion that might end up to be true in the future, the question is what reasons with the combination of evidence you have in a particular given time (in this case 2-3 years ago) to prove that your hypothesis about a particular thing is true.

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27 minutes ago, zurew said:

Making a statement without having any strong evidence for that claim is nothing other than speculation, so why should anyone take your claim seriously?

The vaccine itself was made without following the standards protocols established for vaccine development which might take decades. So try applying the same standards to the other side as well. Why should anyone take the vaccine seriously in the first place?

The whole complaint from the people is that vaccine was rushed and not following the established procedures. You are flipping the script making it look like the common man has the burden to disprove the effectiveness of the vaccine which he can't even access in his own hands, and not the giant corporations that make the vaccines. None of this would have been the problem had they followed the rules themselves.

You do realize that these blood clots can kill people. Are some people expected to be guinea pigs for the "greater good"? 

Even after that none of this would have been a problem if people were not forced into taking a vaccine. It is like being forced to die from an untested vaccine.

If you get nasty side effects, including blood clots after taking the vaccine, it counts as proof as much as the vaccine is concerned. Which are the same people suing them for killing their relatives.

3 hours ago, Nivsch said:

I knew it in 2021 when I did the vaccine but honestly the risk of blood clots from covid itself is higher, and this is what convinced me to do the vaccine in the first place, but I was concerned about the booster shot so I did only the 1&2 at the beginning.

The thing is that the best immunity to covid is getting covid itself. No vaccine is as effective as getting covid. 

And you can get covid even after taking the vaccine, so it's kind of redundant. 

Saying that vaccine prevents covid is like saying you can't get covid while you are having covid. 

The vaccine might have been effective, but it's effects would have been minimal.

Even that wouldn't be an excuse to kill someone.

Let's see what comes out from the proceedings.

It would be a big win for the common people if the big pharma are forced to pay for the people who lost their lives due to the vaccine.

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12 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

The vaccine itself was made without following the standards protocols established for vaccine development which might take decades.

The whole complaint from the people is that vaccine was rushed and not following the established procedures. 

None of this would have been the problem had they followed the rules themselves.

Which specific protocol was not followed?

14 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

You are flipping the script making it look like the common man has the burden to disprove the effectiveness of the vaccine which he can't even access in his own hands, and not the giant corporations that make the vaccines.

Not flipping anything. Again very basic stuff - you make a statement with an incredibly high conviction , bring evidence that substantiates that high conviction - if you can't, then dial way down your conviction and be honest that you don't have any tangible evidence for your speculation.

21 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

You do realize that these blood clots can kill people. Are some people expected to be guinea pigs for the "greater good"? 

 Notice you are using weasel words like "can".

Do you think the standard when it comes to any medicine should be "0% chance of killing anyone"? If your answer is yes, then you are living in lala-land and you would actually cause  much more harm on a global scale by that standard than good. If your answer is no, then tell me what do you think in contrast has a higher chance to kill people, the vaccine or catching covid?

 

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Once again, the point has never been that vaccines don't or can't have side-effects, the point was that it's still safer than dealing with Covid.

People keep refusing to grok this.

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1 hour ago, Bobby_2021 said:

The thing is that the best immunity to covid is getting covid itself. No vaccine is as effective as getting covid. 

This I think probably true, but too risky, and not so logical nor smart because then you already got the disease you want to prevent.

1 hour ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Even that wouldn't be an excuse to kill someone

If you had a very good plan how to protect yourself well enough so you don't have to get any covid vaccine maybe it can be a good idea. This is a good question and anyway easier to see in retrospect.

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2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Once again, the point has never been that vaccines don't or can't have side-effects, the point was that it's still safer than dealing with Covid.

People keep refusing to grok this.

Why are people so dense? Honestly, this pandemic showed how dumb most people are and I lost most of my hope in humanity. 

To this day I see news of some public figure with covid and I look at the comments and its full of "why did he get infected with covid if he was vaccinated? SEE?? VACCINES DON'T WORK, IT WAS ALWAYS A SCAM!1!"

God, this in furiates me, no matter how many times we have to explain how vaccines work, people don't get it.

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Honestly I got tired of listening to both sides peddle their cult mania. The ones trying to force the vaccine were the ones who lit the match though. It's human nature to want to resist authority figures forcing you to do things. Honestly I've gotten like 5 or 6 covid shots by now and I'm fine. I get them with the yearly flu shot, but I was one who heavily criticized the masks and mandates, especially as it was clear that this virus wasn't particularly lethal. However, it will cause far more inflammation than it's vaccine will, and the anti-vax crowd is being fed a pile of misinformation by their right wing media sources. One of the major problems with social media is the polarization created by content creators who monetize people's emotions.  Both sides took their polarized positions and began the attack like monkeys, each so insistent they were in the right. Dance puppets!

There was also lots of pressure by people in government jobs who wanted to get paid to sit around and do nothing. Let's be honest here.  Quite a bit of psychological damage was done to adolescents from the lockdowns in the school systems, something many of us predicted, but we were too worried about the morbidly obese and people in nursing homes, in which the lockdowns did little to help anyways.  Damage was done to the supply chain, not only causing inflation from handing out money without an increase in economic output, but from producing input shortages from industries deemed "not essential" stopping production. Combined with the already underbuilding of homes in the 2010's and it was the perfect storm for the current housing price crisis. Now starter homes are being priced at $300K due to pandemic lumber and copper costs.  I don't really blame anyone... people did what they thought was a good idea at the time, and used their emotions in a lot of their decision making processes.

It was  also big money printing scheme in disguise. The central banks in late 2019 had problems in the repo markets and had to restart QE. The pandemic gave them an excuse to print to oblivion, and they took advantage of it. Here in 2024 they are printing more than ever, with no signs of stopping, so don't hold cash dollars. Cash is trash. Stay invested. Stay in debt.  Our government is in the process of debasing the US dollar with it's excessive government deficit spending, and it's only a matter of time before the bond auctions yield poor results, and rates rise to the point where the Federal Reserve restarts QE. Inflation and stagflation will be here to stay, because in my opinion they won't allow deflation... they won't create any laws to keep the middle class afloat, and wealth will continue to concentrate upward as the rich buy all the assets.

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It really depends on what perspective or what reality you’re living in. I’ve tried to stay as non bias a possible throughout the whole thing and just kept an eye on the studies and the clinicians in direct contact with patients and it very slowly started becoming apparent that something was very wrong. My father’s a professor of immunology so I haven’t escaped being educated about how our systems works and sitting through postgrad lectures while waiting for a lift home and learning to read and understand papers. I’m also very familiar with how vaccines work and this ‘injection’ is NOT a vaccine. A vaccine is an attenuated version of a bacteria or virus with a specific dose that is given which provokes an immune response which is then contained in memory cell for when an infection comes along and the system recognises it again.
 

The covid vaccines are based on a system that transfers RNA code for the original strain of virus spike protein into your cells via lipid nano particulate. Your cells then act as a spike protein producing factory. The spike is cytotoxic, it’s an artificial replication of the original strain that no longer exists, there is no way to know what dose you are giving a person as it is the persons body/genetic/etc that determine when the production stops. It is classified as a GMO or gene therapy as that is what the technology was invented for. That is not a vaccine. 

Plenty of studies have shown people becoming infected shortly after injection indicating there is a problem with immunosuppression and or illness from sideffects. This is evident in the complaints of clinical oncologists who have successfully treated their patients and have improved their immune systems to the point it is able to keep the cancer at bay for decades only to go take the boosters and end up with T cell suppression and the aggressive return of their cancer.

the injection itself being given without aspirating the needle has caused bolus issues throughout the body, leading to multiple issues like myocarditis, thrombosis, stroke, I’m not going to list all of it….

ive had multiple clients of mine coming in saying how good they were to get the booster and the flu jab but in the next sentence claiming to have been extremely ill for two weeks or longer afterwards and blaming it on a visit to a cafe! Some of my clients are dead!

the rest of us who don’t participate in this insanity don’t experience anything of the sort. 

on top of that, my father wasn’t able to go into his lab without taking the injections and in February this year after his booster ( despite me pleading with him to stop) he ended up in hospital fighting for his life. He had to be recusitated twice. His aorta tore open after his heart wouldn’t stop fibrilating. There was bruising and cell damage on  ascending and descending. There was so little tissue left in places it had to be grafted over a scaffolding. He’s very lucky to be alive. I had the tissue that was removed sent away for analysis and it returned as being riddled with spike damage( if you want to know what spike damage is then go look at the German study) One of the cardio thoracic surgeons took his case file and got in touch with another specialist( a cardio vascular surgeon over the west of the country) who has been repeatedly operating on ‘young’ healthy individuals with accelerated blockages in their systems presenting as stroke in evolution that he has never seen the likes of in his life. He raised the issue twice with the department of health and nothing has happened. Further to that, we are good friends with an undertaker who says about 20 percent of the bodies the embalmers are working on have strings of white rubbery clots coming out of them. This has been reported by others too and have raised issue that a new pathology is presenting they’ve never seen before either. Vascular systems being covered by an overproduction of protein. When they come out they are an exact mold of the vesicles they’ve been flushed out of. At all ages. 
 

my entire family took at least two-three shots and all of them got covid afterwards( not before) and they have been reinfected multiple times and in general are sick every other week! It is astonishing!

I refused to take it as I got T cell suppression from annual flu vaccines where I got infected every year and each time was worse till I ended up in hospital unable to breath. Clearly it wasn’t working and I stopped, overhauled my health- diet, lifestyle and state of mind. That was in 2017. I haven’t been sick since and I’m not exaggerating! No I didn’t lock down and continued as normal as did the rest of the community here. No one got covid till omicron arrived. 

Yes I got covid ( omicron) and no I had no symptoms. I wasn’t sick and continued as normal. I didn’t get infected before or after that and it was in March 2021.

my Scottish relatives, retired GP and a surgeon are both now refusing to take boosters as both were very unwell after the last one. The GP now has cancer and the surgeon has the same onset symptoms as my father with atrial fibrillation. 

my sister, in her 30’s has chest pains and difficulty breathing and is constantly sick. Every other week it’s “oh I think I have a cold. Maybe it’s covid” this has been going on for three years.

i think there is nothing more obvious than Australia where they went for total lock down in an attempt to achieve zero covid. The products were rolled out in 2020 and the deaths didn’t start till after. The first covid to spread across the country was omicron in late 2021!

I have no time for conspiracy theorists but I have even less time for people who call expert clinicians with direct experience of their own clients, conspiracy theorists!

I have even less time for people who dismiss things without first looking at the evidence.

there are four cardio thoracic surgeons in this country and we are having to fly in surgeons in emergencies due to the number of heart problems occuring. We had to get a surgeon from Sweden for my father. 

if one more politician stands up and says “ oh it’s because of climate change” …. I swear to god!!!!!!! ( that’s their answer to this!)

I do not know what kind of information you people have access to but it’s certainly not what I’m seeing or experiencing. 
 

I just want to reiterate something. The spike protein found in my father’s tissue was not covid spike. It was the protein his own body produced from the RNA in the injection . The virus with that particular protein became extinct in late 2021! It no longer exists! He was riddled with artificial spike that damaged his heart and surrounding tissues. 

That God damn injection nearly killed him

my own GP has been slowly confiding his discontent to me about the health authority and is planning early retirement because he can’t take being a part of this anymore. Last year he seemed really depressed and disinterested in his practice before he finally said he can’t go on reporting increases in problems in his patients and recommending taking the product off the market only to be told to shut up and keep giving it…

that’s not medicine, that’s not health care.

uk has already prosecuted the manufacturers for breach of code. 
a criminal complaint against multiple individuals in regulatory positions has been lodged with the head of police. 
Australian lawyers are currently in the process of taking their regulators to court in order to both ban the product and prosecute the regulators.

theres possible prosecutions happening for giving multiple drugs with known respiratory suppressant effect to people with a respiratory infection effectively killing them ( this happened in mutiple cases in the old folks homes, one of whom was my 102 year old grandfather! The Scottish relatives want an investigation)

there’s plenty others and it’s all coming out slowly. 
 

unfortunately for those of us who have watched loved ones suffer and die, it’s too little too late.

there were certainly people out there who were vulnerable to the virus and some who died but the majority had Co morbidities. No one is dismissing what happened to them but the sheer numbers reported across the world were grossly exaggerated. The excess death count now has exceeded the reported death numbers during the most active phase of the virus and as those strains are no longer with us and omicron is nothing more than cold and fever, the increase in deaths cannot be accounted for by the virus. Everything that every clinician is seeing in their patients is pointing to a medical intervention that neither works nor is it safe or even needed. 

 

 

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It was pulled from the market here in Australia at the time for this reason, so there was hardly a conspiracy to cover it up. Also, it’s not an MRNA vaccine which seems to be the boogeyman amongst the right these days

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On 1/5/2024 at 0:07 PM, Leo Gura said:

Once again, the point has never been that vaccines don't or can't have side-effects, the point was that it's still safer than dealing with Covid.

People keep refusing to grok this.

For the majority of people with a functional immune system, it's better to deal with covid than have an ictus and end in a wheelchair or even dead.

It's sad that healty young people died from the vaccine and would have passed covid without problems.

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Every safe and effective drug administered through prescription or under the guidance of healthcare professionals HAS SOME KIND OF POSSIBLE SIDE EFFECTS!!!

COVID vaccines are no different. Not to mention, that the methods various platforms or mediums used to develop COVID-19 vaccines including Messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines, Viral vector vaccines, and inactivated or killed virus vaccines, HAVE ALL BEEN HIGHLY SUBSTANTIATED by many years of extensive and rigorous testing in clinical trials involving tens of thousands of participants to evaluate their safety and efficacy. The entire research and testing process were performed by the best the medical doctors/scientists in the world. In fact, about 99.99% of all medical doctors/scientists have all concurred that practically everyone in the world should get the first one or two dose of the vaccine and then follow that up with booster shots regularly.

Only a very tiny percentage of rogue quack doctors out there in the world have been speaking out against it because those weirdos have been running some kind of scam.

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